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What do you guys think about this show? I'm debating whether or not to watch it, I just can't seem to get a read on it.

Some of the previews look laughably awful, but some of the newer ones make it look pretty interested.

I'm just so uncertain...

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I'm down for the simple fact that they sound like they've gotten right what Heroes and No Ordinary Family got wrong: HAVE STRONG VILLIANS FROM THE GETGO. At least, they've marketed that they have strong villians, we'll see. But No Ordinary Family has proven that a superhero show can get pretty ****ing boring pretty ****ing fast without a strong stable of villians. And once Heroes started to pussify Spock from the second season on they really suffered from the lack of memorable, strong villians.

I'm giving it a shot. If they live up to what the trailers have promised, I think it'll be okay. Also, I'm glad to see they're marketing it as hard as they are.

Downside, they have Summer "If I'm In A Show It's Getting Cancelled Too Soon" Glau in the cast. Not a good sign.

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I actually like the promos they've done for the show so I'm actually going to tune in. Surprise, this is the first NBC show I'm interested in besides that one show that Dex loathes for no reason.

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You thought Heroes was good? For reals?

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WHERE THE **** DID YOU GET THAT BOOOOOLSSSSHHEEEET FROM?

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Hey, if you vague it the hell up, how am I supposed to know what the **** you're talking about? I barely watch NBC and sure as hell don't know what shows they have or don't have.

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I've got it set on the DVR so I'll eventually give it a shot. No expectations, though.

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I think it looks fun. And I'm hoping that Summer Glau can actually get a show to not get canceled since she's on it because she's a really great actress and so interesting to look at!

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I agree. So far she's gotten The 4400, Firefly, The Unit, Terminator, and Dollhouse cancelled.

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Not watching. Unless I hear raves. Otherwise not watching.

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Not only am I going to watch this tonight, I am watching a couple episodes of Birds of Prey first so that this show will seem genius by comparison no matter its actual quality.
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Hey, if you vague it the hell up, how am I supposed to know what the **** you're talking about? I barely watch NBC and sure as hell don't know what shows they have or don't have.

Haven't you ever read my rants against that POS? I'm talking Office!

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Oh the Office is on NBC? Therein lies my confusion. LMFAO

3 minutes until he dons THE CAPE! Heh.

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That was ****ing AWESOME. It had two things I wasn't expecting:

1) A great sense of humor. That was a delightful surprise.

2) The Cape is an actual weapon. I totally wasn't expecting that. And it's an awesome weapon.

Only hiccup was them packaging what were clearly two individual episodes into a two hour premiere. That was a little clumsy. But it worked though because it was two individual episodes I enjoyed. I was defintely left wanting more after the first hour so it was good we had a second hour.

And finally, there is nothing more awesome than a midget beating a normal sized dude's ass. Nothing. "Say hi to Dorothy, bitch." LMFAO

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I was bored. It was on. I watched. It wasn't totally horrible. If I'm bored again we'll see. I'm not committing.

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I love it. Much more than I was expecting.

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Dammit, I forgot to set this on the DVR because I was baking. Think they'll show the pilot again?

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If NBC doesn't then there is a good chance that G4 or SyFy will... as is the case with other NBC produced genre stuff. Anyway, check those channels.

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It's on again tonight, Destiny. NBC, 9-11pm.

Torchie, I don't really care when people see a pilot and don't get into it because that means only one thing, it's not their cup of tea. So I usually don't follow up on their "not my thing, I'm out" comments in threads. But I got curious about a larger scope question for you. What WOULD a superhero show have to do to hook you? I mean, I know you like comics so I know you're just looking for the right show to hook you, so it's not like you hate the genre. But you didn't like Heroes, don't like Smallville, don't like No Ordinary People, and don't like this show. That's a good sized sample and none of them hit your G spot. So I'm just curious what a superhero show would have to bring to the table to get you.

One thing those four shows have in common? They're all origin stories. All of them start at the beginning. So would a show have to start with him already a hero and already kicking ass to get you? Or maybe it's just that TV show budgets simply don't allow for the kind of expensive costume design, scope, and CGI you need to get roped in? Or is it something else?

Just curious, we can take this convo to a new thread if you want it's a lot more about your overall POV than this one particular show. And, this question is open to everybody else as well. What do YOU want from your superhereo show? Is it even possible for the TV budget and format to please you in this genre or does it have to be movies?

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Wow, Dex. "Awesome"? In all caps, no less? I thought it was watchable, thought it had potential enough for me to give it a few more chances. However, I was in no way blown away. For every strength, there was at least one weakness - and sometimes they were one in the same. The dialogue had funny moments, but also corny ones. The acting was suspect, at times. The writing didn't suck, but didn't really offer anything approaching unique or fresh. As a whole, the show was uneven. Based on the first two episodes (which, as Dex mentioned, is what we clearly watched last night), I'd say this show could easily go either way.




And Sonny, I personally enjoyed Birds of Prey - certainly more than The Cape, so far. It wasn't the best comic book show ever, but I thought it was fairly good and I was a little sad to see it go so quickly. Plus, I mean...


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Oh, and...

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Hmm. That's some good ponderings there, SD.

1. Concept. I have to dig the hero's mission statement. The Cape and Smallville are pretty direct in that and I respect it and dig it. Heroes was more meandering (it's big flaw really, imo) and No Ordinary Family just seemed like Every Average Drama to me so blah there. However it should be said that I did dig Heroes for quite sometime. So much so I spent time creating banners for the forum and all that hub. So what did Heroes do to lose me? I think I side with the general consensus; the villain was diluted, the plot aimless, I also dug Peter a lot as he was in the begining (a searcher and believer in goodness) then they dumped that and made him all Emo (if I use the term correctly).

2. Effects. Poorly chosen effects or budget effects in a modern day production can pull me right out of the story. It's unfair of me to do because I can forgive old shows and take them for what they are, but when it comes to modern productions (unless there is a conscious homage to old school effects) I find myself crucifying the work. ie. The Cape's cape effect is too obvious to me. Granted The Cape's cape isn't always CGI, but there are times you can tell the hero isn't even really wearing it, that it is all CGI at that point and I hate that. Sure during a grabbing effect the cape might "need to be" CGI, but come on... where's the art of the practical effect gone here? Is a CGI cape really more cost effective than a real cape? On the flip side I thought the smoke effect was well done.

3. Design. I separate this from the others because sometimes a design of a costume or set could be fantastic, but then the execution of that piece in motion (effects wise) or within the story (concept wise) fails. I have to dig the design of stuff. In The Cape's instance I like the muddy colors of the circus, I like the hood The Cape wears and I dig how the cloak is meant to work. I like the idea of Dick Tracy-ing the villains in classic comic style; Scales had something happen to him to give his face a scaly appearance etc. I don't like Chess' eyes. I have an alright, full HD TV and I had to look to see what was pictured on his eyes. I think a simpler approach could have brought the same effect; instead of white-out eyes and a black chess piece iris, perhaps one solid white-out eye and then one solid black-out eye would have worked better. It still carries the Chess motive, pulling from the board instead of the pieces.

4. Cast. If the actors don't hold my attention then after a time the show won't hold my attention. I liked the lead well enough, he had an American Daniel Craig-ness about him that was neat. Sorta mixed with some Luke Skywalker too actually, now that I think about it. I dig Keith David and so his Max sold to me instantly. But the actors for the traitorous best friend and the villain didn't gel with me. Summer Glau is nice to look at, and no real offense to her as she truly does seem to love geeky stuff, but she has yet to really do anything for me either... she's very flat in the charm department (in her roles at least). My initial impressions on a cast, however, don't ruin a piece for me. The cast is low on the scale in that regard as I know, 'specially in TV, that actors grow into the roles. Star Trek: The Next Generation is the prime example of this, I mean just look at that horrid stick in his ass Picard in season one.

As for the Origin point, I don't mind Origins. I love Superman: The Movie. I dig the concept of Smallville. I liked the first season of Heroes tremendously. I totally adore M.Night's Unbreakable. Origins don't bug me. Jumping right into the middle of a hero's story doesn't bug me either as I am a huge fan of James Bond. So for me it's all in how it is done and then how it continues to unfold. The biggest failure for shows in that situation is actually more my fault however as I think more often than not I start involuntarily forming strong ideas about where something could and/or should go. So when something doesn't get delivered on it takes real effort to accept a piece for what it is at that time and that is when the love for a concept and cast etc really saves a piece for me. But then again this type of problem only really starts happening well into a piece's story, once the newness of the premise is lost and I start noticing plot holes... things like that.

So basically a bunch of words that say: I dunno what hooks me. I think I know, but really it's all intangible and inconsistent from piece to piece. lol :)

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I don't like Chess' eyes. I have an alright, full HD TV and I had to look to see what was pictured on his eyes...instead of white-out eyes and a black chess piece iris...

Heh, I couldn't even tell that's what that was supposed to be. I just thought they were supposed to be sort of snake-like to be "scary". I actually was more satisfied with Scales than I initially thought I'd be, but I didn't think Chess was a particularly strong bad guy. I know from True Blood that that actor can be pretty scary (in a psychotic sort of way), but he seemed a bit restrained here. Not very menacing for an arch-villain. His costume could be a hell of a lot better, too. Hopefully, this will all change as things go along.

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I have mixed feelings on the show. I have a soft spot for superhero shows/movies/etc so I'm always willing to give it a go. Conceptually it has promise and potential . The delivery of the initial premier I thought was rather choppy and too compartmentalized. For example:

1. Every commercial braek had a new 'title'? What was up with "Cape vs Chess" tag line? Do I really need to have the theme of the segment? If they were trying to come off like comic chapters, that's just a bad idea. Title your episodes, not your show segments.

2. Flashback usage - I didn't understand what was up with how they were conveying the triggering of flashbacks. Were they drug induced? Trauma related? Who's were they? If they were trying to enhance the mythos origin and provide some backstory character depth, it just wasn't executed well, it came off too acid trippy or worse, tv signal interuption cinematography. Just show us the flashback and that's all you have to do!

3. THE Villian aka Chess - A mythos origin has to be solid and make sure you understand the great need for the hero to begin with. I thought they rushed the entire introduction of Chess and how the city had been terrorized to a point where privatization is actually warranted. Ok, the Chief got blown up, but if they could have started with a series of Chess antics and how he was just beyond any criminal the city (or state) had ever seen, then the birth of the hero is on an equally grand scale. This reduces the hero to a costumed vigilante instead of "super hero" if he's merely avenging a personal injustice, despite the greater good of removing ARK from power.

4. The Cape - why is this cape even able to be a weapon? The circus dude introduced it as made with impressive material, but for it to be able to retract and grab objects? If they would have invested some mythical spin to it, that would be one thing, but it's just a well made cape... no??

5. The Poisoning - did the cape/armor really help mitigate the poison? Because it sure did take 800 years to get him to the circus folks to help cure him! And he was supposedly poisoned by an assassin who's a specialist in that type of death...

I did like the sincerity of the hero and his kid. I like the actor cast for Chess, he's a genuine SOB, but I needed more development of who he is and not just some crazy rich guy with a villian complex. The wife showed some real spirit applying for the lawyer gig, but I honestly had no idea that's here specialty until that moment... need more fleshing out of that angle for sure. His former partner/best friend... they want us to hate him, but he seems to have been put into a coersion/black male state as well, I think they messed up there. make him a jackass right away, because otherwise, him telling the wife about the BS bank accounts well after the fact the hubby was long gone was just plain messed up and no point if he's in fear of his family...

The campiness of the fighting/special effects I have no problem with, that kinda makes it have a retro "pang/bam/pow" feel to it, so i'm ok with the action they showed initially.

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I enjoyed it and I'm going to keep watching it until it sucks (well sucks for me that is and not for everyone else. I don't like shows just because everyone else does).



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