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Witch King VS Gandalf The White
Posted 30 December 2005 - 10:53 AM
Posted 31 December 2005 - 04:19 AM
It also took a tremendous effort (in the past) to frighten the Witch King into living somewhere far away from the Northern Lands, which was where he had taken up residence in Ages past. Glorfindel had been there (uhmm...yes, he was that old) and had a spell of his own:
The Witch-king rode out to meet his enemies clad in black robes and a black mask and mounted on a black horse. There was a great battle on the plain between the North Downs and Lake Evendim. The forces of Angmar were defeated and the Witch-king tried to retreat to Carn Dum but he was pursued by Earnur and his cavalry. The Witch-king was filled with hatred for Earnur and rode to confront him. Earnur tried to stand his ground but his horse fled in terror and the Witch-king laughed. Then Glorfindel approached and the Witch-king vanished into the shadows. Glorfindel counselled Earnur not to pursue him, saying:
"Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man will he fall."
Appendix A: "Gondor and the Heirs of Anarion," p. 332
Forgive me for quoting using someone else's website, but I found it to have lots of fun facts on the Witch-King. Check it out at:
So back to the fight:
Gandalf was lucky not to have had to cross swords with him. He already knew that it would take a spell to defeat him. He did not know the spell, but instead relied upon fate (and the will of Illuvitar?) to set things right.
And so, the Barrow-blade (from the barrow near the place where the Witch King had taken up residence in...damn, what was the name of that Kingdom - Arthedain? Ah, I found a quote on that: "Fornost Erain: Fortress capital of Arthedain, sited in the [i]North Downs[/] (The Downs? Recognise it?)with a commanding view over the northern Baranduin valley and the Nenuial." Read up on it on the page that I gave you above.) was used to destroy his magic, while the "no hand of man" was supplied by Eowyn.
I believe that Witch King vs. Gandalf would result in a draw. *Shrug* Sorry...but Gandalf didn't know his secret. (Or did heeeeeeeeee?????)
*Cue evil person laughter*
Posted 31 December 2005 - 06:54 AM
Posted 31 December 2005 - 08:29 AM
First, Gandalf should have put up a fight! I totally understand that they can't have him win this battle, but he should have done something. It's ridiculous that he just sits there and gets smacked around like a chump. If Eowyn and Merry can stand up to him, then certainly Gandalf could hold his ground for a bit.
Second, there was no need to break Gandalf's staff. It makes no sense and is completely unnecessary. The breaking of the staff is symbolic of a loss of station and authority. This has even been shown to us earlier with Saruman. How could the Witch-King have that power? And why would the filmmakers want him to? Very strange choice.
Posted 31 December 2005 - 01:26 PM
Also, I'm not sure exactly where, but I think it says somewhere in the LOTR that the Nazgul become more powerful as the ring grows nearer to Mount Doom.
The Nazgul are merely men, but vastly augmented by Sauron himself. The Witch King is basically his right hand man, a "spear of terror" in Sauron's hand. And Gandalf also says somewhere in ROTK that Sauron is more powerful than he.
With all of that said, the Balrog and Saruman were also maia, and Gandalf could defeat them. Unless it can be established somehow that the Witch King had most or all of Sauron's power at his disposal, I don't see how he could have beat Gandalf.
Posted 02 January 2006 - 11:46 PM
After that, Eowyn, the "No Man", was able to cut him so deeply that the total spell was broken, and he was destroyed.
Think of it as a combo-spell that he never thought anyone would figure out - sort of like Achille's Heel.
Posted 05 January 2006 - 05:52 AM
At the end of the Third Age the whole point of Gandalf´s acts is to help Men to take their place as the new sovereigns. His role is to guide them along, prepare them, instruct them and - when necessary - protect them. This was underplayed in the movies to make more room for more fighting even from Gandalf´s side.
Then again, mr Jackson decided to turn my favourite book character into an unwashed killing machine, so there´s a certain logic to it.
Posted 17 January 2006 - 04:06 PM
Posted 18 January 2006 - 06:43 AM
Posted 18 January 2006 - 06:46 AM
wow two "utterly"s- oh dear lol
oh i was most upset with this scene
it was utterly rediculous how they made gandalf out to be utterly helpless
also, i didn't like when he came out of gondor to save the survivors- all they did was make the top of his staff a very small flashlight :/
well you understand my dissapointment with it at least
Posted 19 January 2006 - 01:31 AM
Even though gandalf was a Maia he was still man. He was raised in gondor as so was Saruman as they joined the wizard school became wizards and later on the 2 Greatest wizards next to the witch king and the most powerful wizard ever to be made Sauron.
Wizard school??? Well, whoever said that on any extended dvd feature is not even a reader the books never mind an authority on Tolkien.