The Choc Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 I thought this may get the board talking a bit being that its so quiet here. My original intent was to do a top 25, however when I did a "cut down" I was left with exactly 20. So rather than go back through and choose 5 more guys who didnt make the cut I figured Id leave it at 20. Like usual when I make such lists I will just put the list out there, rather than have explanations and hope to do some explanation when having arguments/debates later. 1-Bill Russell2-Michael Jordan3-Wilt Chamberlain4-Magic Johnson5-Oscar Robertson6-Larry Bird7-Kareem Abdul Jabar8-Shaquille O'Neal9-Tim Duncan10-Jerry West11-Kobe Bryant12-Moses Malone13-Hakeem Olajuwon14-John Havlicek15-Julius Erving16-George Mikan17-Lebron James18-Isiah Thomas19-Elgin Baylor20-Scottie Pippen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pharoah JZA Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 In no particular order. They're all great. Isiah ThomasJoe DumarsDave BingBob LanierVinnie JohnsonBill LaimbeerRick MahornChauncey BillupsBen WallaceKelly TripuckaJohn LongJames "Buddha" EdwardsRip HamiltonAdrian DantleyJohn SalleyDennis "Rodzilla" RodmanDave DeBusschereRasheed WallaceTayshaun PrinceRay Scott All Time Coach: Chuck "Daddy Rich" Daly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groove terminator Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 ill reply more on this later but firstly lebron at 17? when his career is finished maybe but right now - no way as he hasnt done much compared to the others you have listed esp the ones below him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 ill reply more on this later but firstly lebron at 17? when his career is finished maybe but right now - no way as he hasnt done much compared to the others you have listed esp the ones below him Probably true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas1138 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Whenever I do or think about this kind of list with the NBA, I leave LeBron off (for now), but fully intend on him breaking into the top 20- at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 I would like to nominate PJza for being the biggest Homer on Nightly. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 ill reply more on this later but firstly lebron at 17? when his career is finished maybe but right now - no way as he hasnt done much compared to the others you have listed esp the ones below him Probably true.Agreed. Just sub in The Admiral for LeBaby and you've got a pretty good list going there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 ill reply more on this later but firstly lebron at 17? when his career is finished maybe but right now - no way as he hasnt done much compared to the others you have listed esp the ones below him Probably true.Agreed. Just sub in The Admiral for LeBaby and you've got a pretty good list going there. There are several players Id have on the list before David Robinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Krawlie Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 I wouldn't have Pippen anywhere near a top 2, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primbud Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Wilt Chamberlain (# 1 IMHO)Oscar Robertson (best all-around)Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (take a peek into the league and some dude has 26 points and 13 rebounds in a game, come back 20 years later and the same dude has 26 points and 13 rebounds, wtf?)Michael JordanMagic JohnsonLarry BirdBill RussellJerry WestHakeem OlajuwonGeorge MikanMoses MaloneElvin HayesKarl MaloneShaquille O'NealKobe BryantBob CousyPete MaravichCharles BarkleyLeBron JamesTim Duncan Scottie PippenJohn HavlicekBob PetitJohn StocktonWalt Frazier to round out that top 25. Edit: is an unordered list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 I wouldn't have Pippen anywhere near a top 2, either. I hate Scottie Pippen, but he was a great player. Best swingman defender Ive ever seen, easily. Could pass, rebound. He could control a game while taking like 6 shots. The fact that he was so great at everything (defending, passing, rebounding) allowed Jordan to save his energy for scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebowsexual Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Definitely, for the people who may say you can't put Pippen because he had Jordan. In the two years of Jordan's first retirement, Career highs in fg%, pts, reb, steals. The ultimate defender has to be up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primbud Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 & in that big-time charity effort where they were on opposing teams, he wrecked Jordan by scoring 44 as opposed to MJs lukewarm 20-point game. ... but I can't forget the Toni Kukoc incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pong Messiah Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 I wouldn't have Pippen anywhere near a top 2, either.I hate Scottie Pippen, but he was a great player. Best swingman defender Ive ever seen, easily. Could pass, rebound. He could control a game while taking like 6 shots. The fact that he was so great at everything (defending, passing, rebounding) allowed Jordan to save his energy for scoring.This is correct, sir. Awesome all-around player. Offense was actually one of his weak areas (inconsistency), and he still had four years where he scored more than 20ppg. Jordan's shadow, the pouting, injuries later in his career, and the fact that he played well past his prime all contribute to make people discount how great he was, but... he was. So yeah, he's no Jordan, Magic, Bird, Shaq, etc... but there's no way he's lower than 10-15 on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted March 12, 2010 Author Share Posted March 12, 2010 I wouldn't have Pippen anywhere near a top 2, either.I hate Scottie Pippen, but he was a great player. Best swingman defender Ive ever seen, easily. Could pass, rebound. He could control a game while taking like 6 shots. The fact that he was so great at everything (defending, passing, rebounding) allowed Jordan to save his energy for scoring.This is correct, sir. Awesome all-around player. Offense was actually one of his weak areas (inconsistency), and he still had four years where he scored more than 20ppg. Jordan's shadow, the pouting, injuries later in his career, and the fact that he played well past his prime all contribute to make people discount how great he was, but... he was. So yeah, he's no Jordan, Magic, Bird, Shaq, etc... but there's no way he's lower than 10-15 on the list. It wasnt really his offense really that was inconsistent as much as it was his jumpshot. If Pippen played today with no handchecking hed score alot more points. He actually had his prime during an era that was awful for him where physical play was so prevelant. Just to illustrate a couple things about how great an overall player Pippen was. He has the all time record for assists by a forward and career steals by a forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mateoboz Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pong Messiah Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 It wasnt really his offense really that was inconsistent as much as it was his jumpshot.The jumpshot isn't part of small forward's offensive package? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primbud Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 My unused topic from the season's commencement ... http://forums.nightly.net/topic/64348-greatest-player-in-nba-history/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pong Messiah Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Yeah, this topic is better. I think we'll stay here. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primbud Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 That was not an 'invite' ... 9-Tim Duncan10-Jerry West11-Kobe Bryant12-Moses Malone13-Hakeem OlajuwonI know he was my fave player but Olajuwon was better than Duncan. A better rebounder, better defender, better scorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groove terminator Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 duncan has the titles to put him above olajuwon having a good look at choc's list i actually agree with every spot except the lebron selection which i stated above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pong Messiah Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 That was not an 'invite' ... Good. I hated your thread. Die, thread, die. I know he was my fave player but Olajuwon was better than Duncan. A better rebounder, better defender, better scorer. Olajuwon had a few years (1992-93 through his '95 title run) that were better -- by far -- than anything Duncan's ever done, but over the entire course of their careers, Duncan was probably better. Even if he was never an absolute terror on the defensive end like Olajuwon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 That was basically my thought process on Hakeem vs Duncan. Also (and this may not be fair) Duncan is ahead on titles 4-2. But not only that Olajuwon won his 2 titles while the real best team was basically on sabbattical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Irish Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 I'm doing this from my phone so bear with me and I'll try to update UFO think of others. I purposefully did not look at any lists posted so that I don't borrow any ideas. 1. Jordan2. Russell3. Chamberlain4. Abdul-Jabbar5. West6. Bird7. Magic8. Duncan9. Shaq10. Olajuwon11. Moses Malone12. Erving13. Stockton14. Karl Malone 15. Drexler16. Barkley17. Havlicek18. Bryant19. David Robinson20. Thomas definite lack of pre-80's in my list but I've only seen highlights. Next 5 in:GervinGarnett McHaleWorthyMullin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 I'm doing this from my phone so bear with me and I'll try to update UFO think of others. I purposefully did not look at any lists posted so that I don't borrow any ideas. 1. Jordan2. Russell3. Chamberlain4. Abdul-Jabbar5. West6. Bird7. Magic8. Duncan9. Shaq10. Olajuwon11. Moses Malone12. Erving13. Stockton14. Karl Malone 15. Drexler16. Barkley17. Havlicek18. Bryant19. David Robinson20. Thomas definite lack of pre-80's in my list but I've only seen highlights. Next 5 in:GervinGarnett McHaleWorthyMullin You think Clyde Drexler was better than Kobe Bryant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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