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The future of the "Terminator" franchise is up in the air...


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Copper what happened to your old icon? I loved your self picture. :D

 

In my opinion, terminator 2 is one of the greatest movies ever created, and terminator 1 was great in it's own right. The third and fourth movies...in my mind do not exist. Terminated, if you will. The only timelines that should ever be referenced are the original "future", after terminator, and after terminator 2. Just those three.

 

This new movie is getting me excited, but I'm not sure why. Almost everything about it looks terrible. Old Arnold. CGI young Arnold. different Kyle Reese. Continuity disasters all over the place. I just don't know.

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Terminator 2 is one of my all-time favorite movies, so I've suspended my disbelief to the point where I give it a complete pass on continuity problems and impossibilities. However, since we are going to bleed this franchise for every penny it's worth by producing garbage sequel after garbage sequel, the franchise integrity gets diluted and is now fair game to pick apart. I now have some comments.

 

1) I love T-1000. It's an incredibly menacing villain. However, In terminator one, it was established that only living tissue can go through the time machine, at least on the outside. Why? Because terminator one plot convenience. Anyways, that's why everyone always arrives naked. The T-1000 arrives naked...but his body has no skin. He's all liquid metal. It seems people either forgot this or decided to ignore that fact, hoping the audience will forget, thus breaking it's own rule. I can only come up with two "solutions" and they both suck, the second worse than the first. first is T-1000 did in fact have Robert Patrick skin on over him...and he....sheds it. Plop there goes the skin on the ground. Gross. He does this sometime after he guts the cop with his sword arm...that you don't see because you would see hand skin flop off of his liquid metal hand. Since this is all disgusting, that is why you don't actually see him gut the cop, you just see him hit the ground all dead-like. My second explanation is that the time machine was perfected of this design limitation after they sent T-800 but before they sent T-1000. This is even sillier because...why go naked then? Why not bring weapons? Meh this is impossible anyways because skynet was done for. That's why it did this last-ditch time travel terminator plan anyways.

 

2). Once the humans in the future beat the machines (thanks to John Connor) they realized the fight was not quite over...a T-800 was sent back in time to assassinate his mother, thus preventing John from existing, thus disallowing the humans the single person in the world capable of beating them. They hastily sent Kyle Reese back in time to intercept. Now, time travel is not possible, but assuming it was, it wouldn't work that way. They wouldn't have any "time to intercept". There would only be the alternate timeline which included the damage the T-800 would have done all by himself...which would have meant human extinction before they even knew what happened. "General Connor, look! A T-800 is about to step through a time travel portal! Quick! Let me go after it so i can NOPE IT'S TOO LATE YOU'RE ALL DEAD. Hell, skynet wouldn't even be able to revel in the success in it's plan because it would never have even known about it...although it might have wondered where this futuristic robot came from way back in the 80's. My only explanation is: blueberry pie.

 

3). Terminator three featured a new villain...which had solid components and liquid components! Best of both worlds right?! Wrong. How is this design useful? It's not. The solid components drag the rest of the design down. The T-1000 was superior...but the movie told us otherwise. At least I think it did. I can't remember this movie well enough, but it was bad so...I changed my mind I won't even bother with 3). Talk to the hand.

 

4). Terminator one and two established in the future, they had to fight the machines at night only, but in terminator salvation, they go against this wisdom and constantly fight in the daytime. But then again, wasn't this some alternate timeline so, perhaps that's not true anymore? Oh I don't really care about this movie anyways never mind.

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So while all the different terminators were trying to kill John Connor in the pasts, the present day (future) John Connor was captured and molested by machines, thereby obtaining his DNA so they could create a super skynet/John Connor terminator-hybrid-murder-cyborg and sent him back in time to abort himself before the other terminators get reprogrammed and fight each other. Makes compete sense.

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What a mad trailer. It looks a complete jumble to me, and yet... I think I'll end up watching it. The idea of the older T800 arriving at the point the T800 from the first film arrives to take him out, is interesting.

But will it all hold together? Not so sure...

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Can't seem to find a fitting page on TvTropes for what they're doing (and I can't think of any really good examples from other fiction, scifi/fantasy or otherwise, where what the characters are trying to protect is simultaneously the thing out to get them) but would love to be able to put a name to it.

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I like the idea that they've taken the idea that everything made beyond T2 (T3, Salvation, Sarah Conner Chronicles) all seem to sort of play with their own continuity and ignore each other as an actual thing-- in that there have been so many time travel attempts that alternate timelines and possibilities have come into existence to the point that this movie is a jumble of those timelines criss-crossing. It;s a great way to explain all the recasting and continuity issues and tell a new story.

 

That said, I don't know that it looks GOOD.

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Yeah T2 is overrated as Geek tour de force. The original as a great unique scifi/horror film.

That may be why I've never seen anything else. I also haven't seen T2 in over a decade.

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