Pong Messiah Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Holy crap! Yet another reason to avoid public transportation as if it were the plague! "There was a bloodcurdling scream. I was just reading my book, and all of a sudden, I heard it," Garnet Caton, who was sitting in front of the two men, said of the Wednesday night incident west of Portage la Prairie in Manitoba. "It was like something between a dog howling and a baby crying, I guess you could say," Caton said. "I don't think it will leave me for a while."Wow! Further proof that we absolutely must have a Tweaker Train for all the Crazy McStabbys out there. Seriously -- crazy is the one thing that scares the **** out of me. Guns, knives, baseball bats, brass knuckles, etc... are fine, even in the hands of a bad human. But a crazy, twitchy, human can be too much to handle without a bullet to the head, even if naked, unarmed, and all the while insisting that he's an eagle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basil Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Shadowdog finally snapped, huh? p.s. This is why we need more knife-control laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Kargan Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 That was on a Greyhound, I think. Been all over the papers here. Tragic. And damn scary. I've thought of going to work for them. Once or twice. Don't think I will now, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Police tape: Canada bus killer ate victim's flesh Aug 2, 7:43 PM EDTBy CHARMAINE NORONHA Associated Press Writer TORONTO (AP) -- A police officer at the scene of a grisly beheading on a Canadian bus reported seeing the attacker hacking off pieces of the victim's body and eating them, according to a police tape leaked on the Internet Saturday. In the tape of radio transmissions, a Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer refers to the attacker as "Badger" and says he is armed with a knife and scissors and is "defiling the body at the front of the bus as we speak." On the tape, which lasts about 80 seconds, officers continue to detail the attacker's movements until one reports, "Badger's at the back of the bus, hacking off pieces and eating it." The RCMP described the tapes as "operational police communications and, as such, are not meant for public consumption." Police said permission had not been given to use the radio transmission, which was posted on LiveLeak.com and picked up by other Web sites. Officers were responding to a desolate stretch of the TransCanada Highway about 12 miles from Portage La Prairie, Manitoba, after the bloody attack late Wednesday on the bus traveling from Edmonton, Alberta to Winnipeg, Manitoba. Vince Weiguang Li, 40, faces second-degree murder charges for the murder of a 22-year-old man, who friends and family identified as Tim McLean. Police have not confirmed the victim's identity. Passengers said they had just reboarded the bus following a break when the suspect - for no apparent reason - stabbed the man sitting next to him dozens of times as passengers fled in horror. He then severed the man's head, displayed it and began hacking at the body. Li's employer said in an interview Saturday that he was shocked to learn that his "model employee" had been accused of the grisly attack. Vincent Augert, an independent contractor who distributes newspapers in Edmonton, said that Li was one of his most reliable carriers. "He was very punctual and always cleanly dressed," he told The Associated Press. "He was a very nice, polite guy. We would've had no reason to let him go before all this happened." Augert said Li had worked for him since last July and caused no problems. "I had no odd suspicions about him at all," said Augert. Augert said that Li called him two weeks ago to say he needed a day or two off to go to Winnipeg for a job interview at the end of July. He said Li called him back and left a message with the dates, but never followed up after that. "That was unusual for him not to call back and then when he didn't show up for work on Tuesday we got worried," said Augert, who said it was sometimes difficult to understand Li because he spoke quickly and had a strong Chinese accent. Augert said he called Li's cell phone on Thursday and his wife answered. She told him that she hadn't heard from Li, who had told her he had to leave for a few days because of a family emergency. Li, who shuffled into a courtroom Friday in Portage la Prairie with his head bowed and feet shackled, appeared before the court without a lawyer. He did not reply when the judge asked him whether he was going to get a lawyer, and only nodded slightly when asked whether he was exercising his right not to speak. He was not required to enter a plea. The prosecutor asked for a psychiatric assessment, but the judge said he wanted to give Li a chance to meet with his lawyer. Li's next court appearance is scheduled for Tuesday. The RCMP said Li has no known criminal record. McLean's family spoke publicly Saturday for the first time since the brutal attack. "He was a little guy with a heart bigger than you could know," McLean's uncle, Alex McLean, told reporters in a prepared statement from the family. "Tim spent his life traveling and meeting new people and always saw the good in everyone. He had the most infectious giggle. You could hear him laughing a mile away," said Alex McLean. "It didn't matter what kind of a day you were having, because when you heard him laugh, you couldn't help but join in." William Caron, 23, said McLean was quiet, though he liked to socialize with friends. He was small - about 5-foot-4 and 130 pounds - and tended to stay away from a fight, Caron said. "All the time I've known Tim, he's never been the type of guy to get into a fight with. He always kept to himself when there's strangers around," Caron said. The killing has spawned a vast online community, with tens of thousands showing support for McLean's family and expressing disgust for the attack. One of the many groups on the social networking site Facebook has accumulated over 40,000 members with more than 2,000 wall posts. "It's something right out of a horror movie," said Sheena in Edmonton. © 2008 The Associated Press____________________________________________________ What a f-cking freak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Alan Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 I stand opposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsquare Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Would anyone like to tell us how Evil doesn't exist in the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undome Telcontar Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 ok. good and evil doesn't exist. that better? but seriously... that's kinda weird. i wonder why he did that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 "kinda" weird? ::steps slowly away from UT:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otanku Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 He said no formal charges had been filed, and he declined to identify either the man in custody or the victim, who were among 34 passengers. ummm, say what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Would anyone like to tell us how Evil doesn't exist in the world? If you mean in the religious sense, sure that exists...but we also encounter the end result (people) of conditioning thanks to immoral factions within a culture or government (meaning brainwashed/reared instead being born with a propensity for evil behavor). I cannot say which side of the coin Weiguang Li represents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.CAllen Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Immoral factions within a culture? Government brainwashing? Whaaaah? I think it's pretty clear this man is insane. A couple of clues : 1) He stabbed some guy 80 times. 2) Then he hacked off the guy's head. 3) Then he, umm, "displayed" it. I'm no doctor but that man is koo-koo for breakfast cereal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Immoral factions within a culture? Government brainwashing? Whaaaah? Surely you must know that exists. For example, factions within the American goverment once plotted and carried out acts against groups considered "progressive", "left wing" and the like, leading to false imprisonment, murders and other incidents most (if on the recieivng end) would consider immoral. Actually, anyone could go on with a long list of immoral acts (allegedly) not the collective decsion of the government, so again, it exists here, and around the world. I think it's pretty clear this man is insane. A couple of clues : 1) He stabbed some guy 80 times. 2) Then he hacked off the guy's head. 3) Then he, umm, "displayed" it. I'm no doctor but that man is koo-koo for breakfast cereal. Still, that does not instantly make him insane. Charles Manson--for all of his Helter Skelter/ doomsday blather...for all of his theories and finally orders to kill--was not clinically insane; his lifetime of anti-social expereinces since childhood (rape, beatings, hooker mother, racist philiosophy from his self-described "Rebel / Mountain Man" grandfather, the prison system, etc.) set his course (and you'll note he was never placed in a facillity for the criminally insane). Same with Richard Ramirez; he was a flat-out butcher, spouted all of his beliefs in Satan, (and conditioned for violence by his Vietnam vet cousin) etc...but he was not considered insane, hence the possibility Weiguang Li could be the result of conditioning via any of the various ways mentioned earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.CAllen Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Surely you must know that exists. For example, factions within the American goverment once plotted against and carried out iacts groups considered "progressive", "left wing" and the like, leading to false imprisonment, murders and other incidents most (if on the recieivng end) would consider immoral. Actually, anyone could go on with a long list of immoral acts (allegedly) not the collective decsion of the government, so again, it exists. Did any of this lead to a guy decapitating another guy on a bus? You seemed to say that this guy was either an example of pure evil or the result of immoral factions within a culture or government. I can understand the first position but not the second. blah blah blah blah blahdee blah blah Charles Manson--blah blah Helter Skelter/ doomsday blather... blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah "Rebel / Mountain Man" grandfathe blah bloah blahdee blah blah blahmah blah blah blahmigosh. Blah blah blah Richard Ramirez; blah blah blah blah blah Satan, and blah blah blah blah blah blah, etc...but he was not considered insane, hence the possibility Weiguang Li could be the result of conditioning. Granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMericka Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 how is it possible that in an entire bus full of people there wasn't a single one who wasn't too ***** to ****ing take this guy down after the first stab? are people so focused on self-preservation that they just run away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.CAllen Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Because a guy with big knife is really scary --- they were Canadian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Because a guy with big knife is really scary --- they were Canadian. ...yeah, like that does not happen in America. I've witnessed violence on neighborhood streets, and the only repsonse was people shutting doors and running off, when they were close enough to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Still, that does not instantly make him insane. Wow. Yeah... it really does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pong Messiah Posted August 4, 2008 Author Share Posted August 4, 2008 they were Canadian.Hey now. I love guns and America as much as any real man, and I'm well-aware of soda-pop socialism's deleterious effects upon testosterone and penis size -- but this was just, well, bizarre. Let's be fair, and get all the facts in before we start making fun of our flip-top headed friends! ...yeah, like that does not happen in America. I've witnessed violence on neighborhood streets, and the only repsonse was people shutting doors and running off, when they were close enough to help.Those people aren't real Americans, Justus, and you know it. Just a bunch of sissified commies, terrified of guns and confrontation -- in other words, JustusUtopia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Just a bunch of sissified commies, terrified of guns and confrontation -- in other words, JustusUtopia! Oh, please, you dripping orifice! Unlike the tulips who hide behind guns in order to face threats, I did not while growing up in one of America's worst gang (and abusive cop) environments. Walk an inch in my shoes, Barbie-man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil2 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Would anyone like to tell us how Evil doesn't exist in the world? It is in every one of us to kill and eat meat. And we tell people it's okay to kill other people all the time (war, capital punishment, etc). So you take an ape, tell him to shave and dress nice and work indoors until he forgets WHAT HE REALLY IS...this kind of confusion can happen. Just as we're all stalkers, sexual, and like children. But you tell people two of those three are wrong, and next thing you know you got child-rapists. Societies confuse apes. Science is the answer. You don't know what part of yourself to watch out for if you don't know what you really are. So keep on thinking other human beings are "evil" tsquare, and that you don't have it in you to kill and eat flesh. Stay confused, and teach your children that confusion, too. And stand back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeygirl Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 i wonder why he did that? Hungry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otanku Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 basil you trip me out... didn't you just get done in another thread claiming we were past being "just monkies" and could now be "human" and actually be able to "vote" for this financial equality shtick you believe in? But now we're just confused monkies again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pong Messiah Posted August 4, 2008 Author Share Posted August 4, 2008 Stay away from drugs, kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Dayton Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 If you thought there was no such thing as morality or ethics, then I guess there'd be no such thing as evil. Personally, I couldn't disagree more. There are morals and ethics in our society and evil is consciously going far above and beyond immoral. Even apes don't cut off each other's heads and eat them. They have a little more tact than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undome Telcontar Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 ... only because they don't have cutting tools. but chimpanzees are vary agressive and will rip apart males from enemy tribes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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