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Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Season 8
Posted 18 October 2010 - 10:40 PM
And finally, if my guess is right they're killing off Xander and probably Dawn too. The only characters (besides Spike) who I can actually stand right now.
Posted 19 October 2010 - 09:13 PM
Posted 19 October 2010 - 09:17 PM
I vote Buffy.
Posted 19 October 2010 - 09:21 PM
Spike: "I keep the team small, I keep it with people I can control, keep it simple. No back-stabbing, no dying, no picking up and leaving, and no aerial sex."
George: "I don't understand that last one."
Spike: "No one does."
Yeah, that's pretty epic. Even more so if you realize how much the Angel writers are irritated by what happened over at Buffy. LMFAO
Posted 02 December 2010 - 07:43 PM
Posted 02 December 2010 - 08:15 PM
Contrast this with having to fight myself from reading The Unwritten, Locke and Key, and Kickass 2 while driving home from the comic book store. LMFAO
Posted 02 December 2010 - 08:43 PM
Becuase I mean, if we're supposed to buy into yet ANOTHER story arc of redemption, this is the only way to end it this time around without it seeming like a complete and utter pointless rehash. Getting prepared to lay the foundation for his death as an ultimate and final act of redemption if the only thing to justify what was done to the character in season 8. The character is frankly too far gone now to buy that he does a few good deeds and be back in the good graces as a hero again. I think Whedon's gone absolutely daft if he thinks there's any other way to save the character and just keep him an active hero. Either have the balls to craft his next arc to lead to his own death, or this was a complete waste.
Posted 02 December 2010 - 09:49 PM
That may be the worst sentence I've ever had to type. On second thought, forget I tried to defend this.
So anyway. Has anyone personally witnessed a corner of the Internet where any readers are digging this? I'm curious to hear a counterpoint, because I'm at a loss to imagine one that isn't rooted solely in the premise that Joss is an indisputable godhead.
Posted 02 December 2010 - 09:49 PM
Posted 02 December 2010 - 10:06 PM
Another site I glanced at the other day had posited that this season's arc is somehow intended to be full-on metatextual. Dwelling on that theory hasn't improved my mood. If that's to be believed, then it almost sounds as if this entire story is just one big middle finger to longtime fans sadly obsessed with the idea that the series has always been and shall always be ultimately about Buffy and Angel becoming a permanent couple and living happily ever after. In this scenario, the secret identity of Twilight is all those fans' collective dreamworld, what with the way it surely antagonizes Joss and/or his writers. If Buffy and Angel surrender to their wishes, then Buffy's world ends. Again. Only more finally, or something. The real enemy behind the curtain, pulling those fans' strings and giving them their evil marching orders, is, of course...the specter of happy couplehood.
Maybe I'm weird, but I gave up on the notion of Buffy and Angel as a couple sometime between the last half of Buffy season 2 and the Angel episode "Sanctuary" when he pretty much told her off once and for all, stood his ground like a man who's truly gotten over his ex, and kicked her out of LA and off his TV show. I was happy with Angel as a main character in his own right, no longer living in her shadow or acting like an abandoned puppy every time her name came up.
So am I really having to suffer for the sins of those fans who just didn't get it? Does anyone really have that mindset?
Someone needs to tell me I'm overreacting.
And as far as the Major Event That Changed Buffy's World Forever in this issue that the Maker mentions: let's face it -- the recipient of said event hasn't done or said anything useful in many, many issues now. I should be grieving as much as one can grieve for such a character, but so far it's not happening. It reminds me of when Barry Allen died in Crisis on Infinite Earths -- events in The Flash had dragged him so far down that to my 13-year-old self it came off as a much-deserved mercy killing.
Posted 03 December 2010 - 07:35 AM
I remember a year or two ago being very pissed that there was a finite limit to this series and dreading the day issue #40 rolled around and this series ended. My how things change. LMFAO
Posted 03 December 2010 - 10:19 PM
Posted 04 December 2010 - 07:51 PM
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Posted 06 December 2010 - 05:37 PM
It was a metaphor to comment on how stupid we can be glorifying people who don't deserve it, but metaphors have to work on a surface level in order to work as subtext and this one is a flat ****ing failure.
I know I've beat that horse to death, but it's worth bringing up again because it's a massive writing failure. I think Whedon misses Marti Noxon.
- NumberSix +1 this
Posted 20 January 2011 - 06:30 PM
It was so good, and ended in such a good place, that I think I'll give Season Nine a chance. The Joss letter also gave me hope because it sounds like Season Nine will be a stripped down, back to basic season. Plus the TV show had some of their best seasons right after their worst seasons so this could be the case here as well.
Don't get me wrong, the final third of Season 8 sucked tons of ASS and I'm desparately looking to recover some of the $400+ I spent on Season 8 by selling the whole thing to somebody. ****, I'd take $200 for the lot. Anything. Because what I'm never doing again is reading it. LOL
But I do have hope now for Season 9. Which is more than I had leading up to this final issue.
Posted 20 January 2011 - 09:23 PM
Three re-readings later, I finally had to admit to myself that I really, really liked #40. I can't remember the last time a writer went this all-out to make amends to their readers. He didn't flat-out apologize to us, I'm still waiting for him to throw a nice in-story bone to Angel's IDW run, and I'm still waiting for an explanation of the deus ex machina that was Spike's burrowing bug buddies...but this was a nice lengthy step toward reconciliation.
Posted 26 January 2011 - 09:48 PM
And as disappointing as Season 8 was, I did like that they at least owned it and didn't pull some cop-out reset switch gimmick--the only thing worse than a disappointing run would be to cheapen it.
Posted 27 January 2011 - 10:26 AM
But now I'm giving Season 9 its first couple issues and will take it from there. Season 4 sucked and Season 5 was awesome so it could happen.
Posted 27 January 2011 - 05:47 PM
Knowing where it ends kind of makes me want to re-read this run, see if I'll view it differently now. I don't expect that it will change my mind about certain things that just clearly did not work, but I am curious if I will appreciate it any differently.