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Full article:

Harrison denies Wii influenced PS3 controller, says PCs unnecessary.

Harrison suggests that the idea they used the tilt control scheme as a gimmick to counter Nintendo's revealing of their controller is "stupid."

That said developers didn't even get these "...tilt-sensitive controller until just weeks prior to its unveiling at the Electronic Entertainment Expo 2006 in May."

He also regards the Dual Shock 2 as:

"de facto-industry standard for video games...We define the standard for the man-machine interface for playing games."

I think Nintendo just straight TOOK that from your ass pal.

If that wasn't enough:

Besides defending the PS3, Harrison took time to evangelize the device, which will launch worldwide this November. In particular, he said the Linux-based operating system on the console's hard drive will have enough processing power and nongaming functionalities to render traditional PCs--most of which use a form of Microsoft's Windows OS--moot in the home. "We believe that the PS3 will be the place where our users play games, watch films, browse the Web, and use other [home] computer functions," said Harrison. "The PlayStation 3 is a computer. We do not need the PC."


I think someone is a little butt hurt because of both MS's and Nintendo's popularity at E3.

Edited by Durty D, 15 October 2006 - 04:46 PM.


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Well they have to come with some excuse for its horrendous price tag.

It slices, it dices and does your taxes, but wait theres more!

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Man I love how lately Sony's main selling point is saying how awesome they are and making is sound as if the consumers really have no choice.

my favorite quote thus far is:
"I actually think that the PS3 is too cheap" - the prez for Sony E. of N.America.
My second favorite is a CEO of sony who i believe said:
"We know that at least half a million people will buy the PS3 regardless of the software on it"

hahaha, they're like the bully of video game market. You know, I wouldn't mind 360 taking a dive and Nintendo coming out on top with their crazy Gamecube add-on(wii) just to have the swallow their statements. But like they said, regardless of whats on it, people are idiots and they'll buy it. Pfft, blu-ray, how many times did sony win the media war? .. betamax, nope, mini-disc, nope, umd - just recently, nope. So... blu-ray's gonna be it for sure right?

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So the scoop is that the PS3 is even more of a multimedia PC than the 360?

Looks like I'll be back in Nintendo's pocket this round. I just want to play games.

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FDH: "Lately"?

Looks like I'll be back in Nintendo's pocket this round. I just want to play games.


There's a core Xbox 360 for that and you can still play Halo 3 :)

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There's also the cheaper Nintendo Wii.

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There's also the cheaper Nintendo Wii.


Yes we know. It's $50 more for the Xbox 360 that only plays games.

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There's also the cheaper Nintendo Wii.


Yes we know. It's $50 more for the Xbox 360 that only plays games.

They have not set an official price, just that it wouldn't exceed $250. Rumors say $149, half the price of the 360. The core 360 at that.

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There's also the cheaper Nintendo Wii.


I wish they would have just called it the Revolution. Sounded so much better.

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I wondered if Wii was a translation gone wrong for a few days. And, we don't need the PC anymore after the PS3??? That's probably the most assinine thing I have ever heard. If I had to choose between console and PC games I would choose PC any day of the week.

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I prefer the PC for MMORPG's, RTS, and most single player RPG's actually. DS II was so freaking awesome.

Rumors say $149, half the price of the 360. The core 360 at that.


Anything less than $250 would be rediculous. I wouldn't be complaining, I would be shocked and joyful.

Edited by A Munkeys Uncle, 01 June 2006 - 01:25 PM.


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Rumors say $149, half the price of the 360. The core 360 at that.


Anything less than $250 would be rediculous. I wouldn't be complaining, I would be shocked and joyful.

Less than $250 would be ridiculous??? I highly recommend this quick little read for anyone that would say that.

Wii Editorial

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That was the most impartial and unbiased article I've ever read. Ever.

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Less than $250 would be ridiculous???


I meant that in a good way. Either way, I highly doubt the system will be less than $250 in the U.S.

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That was the most impartial and unbiased article I've ever read. Ever.

I know the writer and did a double take when I read it, because he's a big fan of the Wii console.

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Wii's controller idea was obviously going to be copied but I didnt expected that Sony was going to be the one. The PS3 will have more things than a swedish knife. The price still sounds too expensive and trust me: do we really need a console that ties your shoes?

PS3 against PC...at least on the PC there's porn. In a good way, leave the PC for multimedia and leave the PS3 for games. Sony is good at it.

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Maybe its just me but I'd rather leave my PC to do everything and not spend another 600$, unless of course its used upgrading my PC, you have yours, I have mine I guess...

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I don't even want to get into my feelings about two versions of the 360, AMU. I covered them before, in the prerelease thread of the 360, and I have yet to be proven wrong that two versions isn't a bad thing.

Afterthought: I'm not asking you to prove it to me though... I am knowledgable about the issue to date and my opinion stands.

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I wondered if Wii was a translation gone wrong for a few days.


The origins behind the Wii name: http://theboard.zogd...showtopic=11718


Wii's controller idea was obviously going to be copied but I didnt expected that Sony was going to be the one. The PS3 will have more things than a swedish knife. The price still sounds too expensive and trust me: do we really need a console that ties your shoes?

PS3 against PC...at least on the PC there's porn. In a good way, leave the PC for multimedia and leave the PS3 for games. Sony is good at it.


The PS3 is confirmed to have a browser, video and picture viewing capabilities, and a hard drive. What more do you need for porn? As far as PC vs. PS3, I'd take a PC, too, but you've got to admit it would cost a LOT more than $600 to build a PC comparable to PS3. Not to mention, if Sony plays this whole Linux thing right the PS3 will be a computer. I just hope it dual boots between Linux and an OS that just loads the game, so that the underlying Linux kernel doesn't affect frame rates or performance. Though I'm sure with enough hacking with the priority bit, you could pretty much put make running a game above Linux play similarly than to without an underlying OS. But enough of my gibberish...


I don't even want to get into my feelings about two versions of the 360, AMU. I covered them before, in the prerelease thread of the 360, and I have yet to be proven wrong that two versions isn't a bad thing.

Afterthought: I'm not asking you to prove it to me though... I am knowledgable about the issue to date and my opinion stands.


The Human Torch: But it's about the choices. After all, Xbox 360 is the system of choice. :rolleyes:

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i think sony is going for too much here... trying to make both a killer gaming console and a multimedia machine that can handle all your computing needs. all that really does is jack up the price and distract from innovation in gaming. people that want a cheap computer for applications will just buy a dell or emachines or something that does the same thing and better. people that want/build a killer gaming PC (there are substantial numbers of people that do this... lots of brands... falcon northwest, alienware, etc) already have a great computer that can play the newest PC games... they don't necessarily wanna dish out 600 for another console with a bunch of features they don't want.

and then the people that already HAVE computers and just want a console..? i see more going towards the 360 or wii. especially nintendo, who seems to be concentrating more game innovation and playability than making an all-in-one machine to corner the market.

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THT, I use to feel the same way; however, only one game used the hdd to stream data and that game was Oblivion. This doesn't surprise me since Morrowind was the only game that used this technique for the Xbox.

I don't think people that never plan to play online should have to pay for that.

I think what MS did right was not include HD-DVD in every system, because that price would have reflected on us.

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Harrison is an idiot for saying that.

That said, it is true that having Linux on the PS3 means that the open source community can freely develop apps and tools for the PS3.

That means anyone with basic programming knowledge can come up with something to improve the PS3 experience. That's one edge the PS3 has over the competition.

Not that it'll render the PC completely irrelevent as Harrison says, but it'll definitely help increase the amount of usage a PS3 will get. If I'm not wrong, there was a group of scientists somewhere that used a large cluster of PS2s with Linux installed on it to perform calculations. PS3 comes with Linux, and I'm sure these scientists will be pretty damned happy to use them.

EDIT: Here's a site about the PS2 cluster. Imagine them being PS3s...

http://arrakis.ncsa....ps2/cluster.php

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i think sony is going for too much here... trying to make both a killer gaming console and a multimedia machine that can handle all your computing needs. all that really does is jack up the price and distract from innovation in gaming. people that want a cheap computer for applications will just buy a dell or emachines or something that does the same thing and better. people that want/build a killer gaming PC (there are substantial numbers of people that do this... lots of brands... falcon northwest, alienware, etc) already have a great computer that can play the newest PC games... they don't necessarily wanna dish out 600 for another console with a bunch of features they don't want.


I respect the fact that game developers should be focusing on games, as that is their purpose. However, I believe that video game consoles are slowly becoming computers. I envision that a PS4 or PS5 will be used as a computer, as well as a HDTV tuner/recorder/whatever, and will probably make coffee too. But back to reality, I think the game developers recognize that console "gaming" is quickly going to become console "entertainment". And the first one to the punch is going to be seen as the "innovator", even if every other company is working on the same thing. As AMU stated elsewhere, Microsoft has been working on motion sensing for awhile, but decided against it. Sony apparently has, too. Yet Nintendo shows up and makes the first "official announcement", and all the sudden they are the inventors of it and everyone else copies them. I'm not saying Nintendo is not innovative, but this whole controller copying thing rubs the wrong way with me.

As far as PC/console, I think they are very different gaming experiences, and I can definitely see where people would have both (I do). PC shooters are something that can't happen on a console, period. It just won't work. And as for the whole PS3 as a cheap computer thing, I think it still applies. Paying $600 for a cheap Dell is not going to give you a gaming machine. You'll be lucky if you have a video card from Dell for that price. Sure, you can get a decent one from IBuyPower for that price, but nothing that will play games at HD w/ 60fps like a PS3.

But again, all of my arguments are based upon PS3 actually behaving like a computer. Just because it has Linux hardly means it will have all the functions of a PC. Notably, printing will not be viable, and neither will general word processing or typing in general, unless you get a keyboard. But I just can't imagine that Sony spent time making the PS3 Linux behave like a real system. Where would they find the time to port all the GNU apps? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the "Linux" they speak of is merely the kernel (which, technically speaking, is all Linux is) ported to the Cell processor, and then have a development environment and browser on it. I doubt they will have the Linux OS as the basis for the whole system, but rather as a separate place you can go if you want to make homebrew stuff or browse the net.

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But again, all of my arguments are based upon PS3 actually behaving like a computer. Just because it has Linux hardly means it will have all the functions of a PC. Notably, printing will not be viable, and neither will general word processing or typing in general, unless you get a keyboard. But I just can't imagine that Sony spent time making the PS3 Linux behave like a real system. Where would they find the time to port all the GNU apps? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the "Linux" they speak of is merely the kernel (which, technically speaking, is all Linux is) ported to the Cell processor, and then have a development environment and browser on it. I doubt they will have the Linux OS as the basis for the whole system, but rather as a separate place you can go if you want to make homebrew stuff or browse the net.


The PS3 has four USB ports for God-knows-what. A 60GB HDD, and you have what you need for a PC.

We don't know if some genius in the Open Source community will turn the PS3 inside out into a PC.

I don't think Linux is merely the kernel, if I'm understanding what you mean by kernel. It was specifically stated that Linux was installed on the HDD, not just inside the machine, inaccessible to users.

Then again, kernel or not, open source will be the way for PS3. We will be able to access PS3 via Linux some day, just like we're now able to install Linux on iPods to do some illegal stuff with it.

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The PS3 has four USB ports for God-knows-what. A 60GB HDD, and you have what you need for a PC.

We don't know if some genius in the Open Source community will turn the PS3 inside out into a PC.

I don't think Linux is merely the kernel, if I'm understanding what you mean by kernel. It was specifically stated that Linux was installed on the HDD, not just inside the machine, inaccessible to users.

Then again, kernel or not, open source will be the way for PS3. We will be able to access PS3 via Linux some day, just like we're now able to install Linux on iPods to do some illegal stuff with it.


The first thing you said is that an OSS developer would use the homebrew capabilities of the PS3 to make it into a PC. I agree, though it will most likely be many people working together, much like how Linux apps are developed. The facts that it has Linux, a development kit, and supports homebrew stuff means one thing: you can expect hundreds of ports of regular Linux programs to PS3, much like some simple ones are ported to PSP (like lirc, etc.)

Next you mention the whole Linux, kernel debacle. I don't want to get into the age-old open source argument as to whether Linux is the whole platform or just the kernel, but suffice it to say that, technically speaking, Linux is the kernel that runs on open source systems. It is like the NT kernel beneath Windows XP. The OS itself is a combination of the kernel and the software. And kernels are installed onto hard drive, not "inside the machine". What I am saying is that Sony may port the kernel, that is, the thing that makes the system boot and communicates with the hardware, and then some simple applications. But I'm doubting the fact that they will convert many software programs to PS3, like Open Office and stuff. I think they will probably just give you the compiler to make your own programs, and then a browser, which will probably be Mozilla Firefox (but may be some proprietary Sony stuff).

But undoubtedly, Sony is endorsing open source software by putting Linux on the PS3 HDD, and will probably continue to support it for many years to come. I just hope that they actual use the open source model of publishing code, and don't just use it as a buzz word. It would be great if they released to code for the dev kit, as it would help many people learn about the inner workings of the Cell, enough so maybe to write their own games (and I'm not talking Pac man here. I mean PS3 can really be a MAJOR development platform for indie game developers).



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