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WRESTLEMANIA XX - Where is begins.... again! - SPOILERS NOW WELCOME! BE WARNED! GONG!


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Dude, take some blame. We both sucked ass last night. It was over hyped and no action. Plus, you running your hick mouth all over the place about you wussing out didn't help you either, moron.

And, as far as you succeeding the NFL? I don't think so. If you can't take the heat in the WWE, which is 'sports entertainment', you won't make it past the practice squad of the Detroit Lions.

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Eddie and Benoit's embrace at the end was one of the best WM moments ever. Right up with Hogan/Warrior embrase and Hogan/Rock's handshake. Still it's still behind the Savage/Elizabeth reunion at WM VII.

Goldberg vs. Lasner was probable one of the worst WM matches ever. Only worse was Bart Gunn vs. Butterbean but even that was not as over hyped. The crown reaction was funny especially the "Sha-na-na-na! Hey-hey.....Good bye!" After I totally cheered the Goldberg and Lesner stunnings. Lately that stun/drink beer routine has gotten stale but it was awsome at that moment.

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Found this on ESPN.com and thought it was funny:

A painful return to wrestling
By Bill Simmons
Page 2 columnist

Wrestlemania XX. You know what that means, right?

Finally ...

The Sports Guy ...

Has come BACK TO PAGE TWO!!!!!!!!!!!

What happened to me for three weeks? Quite simply, my back went out. Just crippling, feet-numbing back pain, like I accidentally bought Larry Bird's back from the '92 playoffs on eBay. Anyway, things are better now. I felt so good yesterday, I even ordered the WWF-er, WWE's showcase event.


Who could forget the first Wrestlemania in 1985, including the match between Mr. T and Rowdy Roddy Piper?

Quick flashback: We're in the mid-'80s. I'm a dorky high school kid who happened to love pro wrestling for years. It started with Garea and Martel, spread with Superfly Snuka, then gets pushed to another level with Hulkamania. In an amazing coincidence, there isn't a potential girlfriend to be seen. Not a one.

Suddenly wrestling -- wrestling?!?!?!?! -- goes mainstream. MTV shows a card. Cyndi Lauper gets involved. Hulkamania is running wild. They announce a pay-per-view card featuring Mr. T and Hogan. Mr. T! Hogan makes the cover of Sports Illustrated and hosts SNL with T in the same week. Wrestlemania is set for the following week.

And lemme tell you something ... it was a long week. I couldn't wait. Literally, I couldn't wait. My whole life revolved around that week. Again, not a girl to be seen -- unless you count Shannon Tweed in "Hot Dog: The Movie." And that was one of those Sundays that stands out for me. I'm not sure why. The first Wrestlemania. You really had to be there.

Two decades later, I'm gainfully employed, even married ... and I'm still paying for Wrestlemania from Madison Square Garden. At least this time, I kept a running diary. Here's what transpired.

4 p.m. (West Coast time) -- We're coming to you live from the Mansion ... I'm joined by my dog, Dooze, a bottle of Vicodin and a medium coffee from Starbucks. I'm one shot of whiskey away from becoming a character on "Playmakers."

(Why a "medium" coffee and not a "large," you ask? Because I sent the Sports Gal out with the instructions, "Get me a grande coffee," forgetting that "grande" means "medium" and not "large." Now I'm stuck with a coffee that's one size too small. The lesson, as always: Starbucks sucks.)

4:01 -- The Boys Choir of Harlem kicks things off with our National Anthem, interspersed with heartwarming shots of our troops in Iraq. Almost makes you forget what happened 13 years ago, when Vince McMahon capitalized on the first Iraqi War by turning Sgt. Slaughter into an Iraqi sympathizer. Classy move.

4:04 -- My God, what's that? Wait a second ... th-that's Jim Ross's music!! Unfortunately JR and announcing partner Jerry Lawler are splitting time tonight with Michael Cole and Tazz. Not good times. Cole couldn't be more annoying -- he's like Ryan Seacrest after six Red Bulls. And yet the WWE keeps inflicting him on the general public. If Vince McMahon was David Stern, Cole would be the WNBA.


The WWE Web site lists "Big Show" at 7-2 and 500 pounds. But he has a quick first step.

4:06 -- Our first match: John Cena (trash-talking New Englander) against Big Show (underachieving giant) for the U.S. title. Cena comes out wearing a Ewing jersey and spouting rhymes like "Ain't no way I'm gonna lose to that King Kong ripoff ... that's like Gary Coleman beating Patrick Ewing in a tipoff." Even P Diddy wouldn't buy those lyrics. Of course, that doesn't stop Tazz from saying, "The Big Show has gotta be irate." Definitely.

4:10 -- FYI: Big Show is wearing those Andre the Giant tights, the black ones with the strap that goes over the left shoulder. Needless to say, his right breast is pulling a Janet Jackson right now. He's at least a 38-DD. I feel light-headed.

4:18 -- Tazz uses the word "Upside" to describe Cena. Too bad Hubie Brown isn't there. Suddenly inspired, Cena (240 pounds) picks Big Show (at least 450) over his head and slams him twice for the U.S. title. Big crowd pop. He's now the proud owner of one of the WWE's 75 different title belts.

4:24 -- I don't know what makes me feel older -- Ric Flair being a manager, or Ric Flair managing Cowboy Bob Orton's son. Maybe it's a little of both. By the way, Flair has enough Botox in his face to make Meg Ryan cringe.

The Sports Guy's Top 10 Favorite Wrestlemania matches
10. Ultimate Warrior defeats Randy "Macho Man" Savage (WM 7). Surprisingly good match, capped off by the emotional reunion of Savage and Miss Elisabeth. He would never admit it, but this match actually made my friend Birdman tear up.

9. Undertaker defeats Giant Gonzalez (WM 9). You really had to see the Giant wearing this furry Big Foot costume that was supposed to be scary. Highest of high comedy. This match literally ended his career. People were laughing in the crowd.

8. Bret Hart defeats Stone Cold Steve Austin (WM 13). One of those rare matches where the bad guy was supposed to become the good guy and vice-versa, and it actually worked. Stone Cold's defining moment.

7. Jake the Snake and Rick Martel (WM 7). This was a Blindfold Match. I don't even remember who won. Worst idea ever. Two guys stumbling around the ring for 10 minutes. It was fantastic.

6. Hulk Hogan and Mr. T defeat Roddy Piper and Paul Orndorff (WM 1). The first-ever Wrestlemania main event. Not the greatest match, but those few minutes leading up to the match were unparalleled. It was like Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals at MSG.



4:28 -- Time for a "Fatal Four-Way" tag-team match: La Resistance (evil Frenchmen); Garrison Cade and Mark Jindrak (token white guys); the Dudley Boyz (white and black brothers); and Rob Van Dam and Booker T (the current champs). I have no idea what the rules are here ... but if I were writing a TV pilot about two renegade cops from the 1970s, they would definitely be named Garrison Cade and Mark Jindrak.

4:34 -- Actual quote from Jim Ross: "Garrison Cade and Mark Jindrak -- very young, very athletic, and very, very (inaudible)."

(Very what? Very bland? Very mediocre? Very gay? This could keep me awake tonight.)

4:34 -- "Very hungry," Ross finally finishes. Oh. I was hoping for "very gay."

4:36 -- I might be in my 30s, but it still puts a hop in my step every time the crowd yells "U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!" at a foreign wrestler, then that wrestler get so flustered and upset, he can barely continue the match. Never gets old. It just doesn't. Nobody was better than the Iron Shiek -- it physically pained him to hear the U-S-A chant. He would start spitting and everything. "America, hak-ptew!" OK, I'm rambling.

4:38 -- Booker and Van Dam retain the belts. Whatever. At least Cade and Jindrak have time to get back to the Coffee Bean for their 8-12 a.m. shift.

4:44 -- Time for a revenge match between Chris Jericho and former tag-team partner Christian, currently embroiled in a love triangle with Trish Stratus. Ugh.


(Remember the love triangle heyday on "90210," when Kelly dumped Dylan and fell for Brandon? Will you ever forget Dylan hitting the bottle, ruining Donna Martin's party and hissing, "My best friend, my best gal, it's like a bad movie"? Now everything on TV is a love triangle -- for instance, in seven months, the "OC" tried every three-way romance possible except "Seth, Mom and Dad." It's unbelievable. I keep expecting to turn on SportsCenter and see Linda Cohn choosing between John Clayton and Sean Salisbury.)


4:54 -- FYI: Jericho still calls himself "Y2J." Could be time for a new gimmick. He ends up getting double-crossed by Trish -- costing him the match -- then watching her and Christian suck face. "My God!" JR screams. I think we all feel that way.

(Next up for Trish and Christian? Yet another love triangle, this time with the brooding bastard son in "One Tree Hill.")


Hey, Rock: Just stick to your Hollywood promotional tour next time.

5:07 -- Two of the greats are riffing back stage: The Rock (pretending he's wrestling again, really promoting "Walking Tall") and Mick Foley (unretired for the umpteenth time). No two guys have ever been better with the mike, with the possible exception of Roddy Piper, Hogan and Ken Shamrock (who was so bad, it was delightful).

Anyway, Rock and Foley are taking on three guys -- Flair, Orton and their buddy Batista (on loan from Vivid Video). "This is quite a triumphant," JR says, doing his best Ralph Kiner impersonation.

5:14 -- All right, I'll ask: Why is the Rock still wrestling? Isn't he making like $15 million a movie now? I still remember seeing him at the Icon in Houston with a seven-person entourage, including two bodyguards who had those earpiece thingies. Now he's getting chest-slapped by the decrepit Flair. The WWE must be like the Mafia -- you can't leave. Ever.

5:17 -- Actual quote from Jim Ross: "Good God, Ric Flair's catheter just popped out! Urine is spraying everywhere! My god, this is terrible!!!!!"

(Sorry, that didn't actually happen -- I just wanted to see what that would look like in print. My bad.)

5:22 -- Here's a story: When Foley co-hosted the Kimmel show last September, I ended up filming a piece with him all day. Not to sound like Gammons, but he's one of the greatest guys ever. We all loved him. Anyway, Foley swore that he was done with wrestling -- couldn't take the punishment, hated traveling, wanted to write books, missed his family. Six months later, he's getting thrown into metal staircases at WrestleMania XX. Kinda sad.

(Then again, it isn't even 1/20th as jarring as seeing Ric Flair and his breasts out there. Couldn't he wear a pashmina or something?)

5:29 -- Foley gets pinned by Orton for the loss. Stunning upset. Thank God you can't bet on these things ... I would have thrown Foley and Rock in a money-line parlay with the Kings and Pistons today, no questions asked. Meanwhile, the Rock quickly leaves treadmarks heading back to Hollywood.

5:34 -- Time to introduce the WWE Hall of Fame's Class of 2004, which includes Superstar Billy Graham, Magnificent Muraco, Jesse Ventura, Tito Santana and Pete Rose. Yes, that Pete Rose. I'm not even dignifying this.


New Hall of Famer Pete Rose is betting on Jesse Ventura to take the Presidency in 2008.

(By the way, the WWE Hall of Fame is located just minutes away from the Hallmark Hall of Fame. It's right down the street.)

5:41 -- I'll admit it: I thoroughly enjoyed the Hall of Fame introductions. I mean, any time you have Mean Gene Okerlund saying things like, "Representing the late Junkyard Dog, his daughter, Latoya Ritter!", it's a roaring success. Let's do this again next year. Please.

5:44 -- Up next: A Playboy Evening Gown match with Sable (legendary bimbo) and Torrie (bimbo du'jour) taking on Miss Jackie (up-and-coming bimbo) and Stacy Keibler (bimbo desperately in need of implants). Did we suddenly enter the Champagne Room? Where's my stack of one-dollar bills?

5:46 -- Sable announces that she and Tori "would like to start the match with our evening gowns off." The crowd goes insane. What's the over-under for number of virgins in attendance at MSG right now? At least 60 percent, right? And yes, I wish I could bet on things like "One of these ladies will reenact the Janet Jackson breast flash in the next 10 minutes."

5:49 -- Since Miss Jackie won't take off her evening gown, the girls tear it off for her. Of course, this happens right when the Sports Gal makes her first appearance in the room, leading to this exchange:

Her: What's this?

Me: WrestleMania XX.

Her (disgusted): You paid for this, didn't you?


Hey, if we had photos of Stacy Kiebler and Miss Jackie in their evening gowns, we'd be showing those.

5:52 -- Tori pins Miss Jackie, pulling down her underwear for good measure. TiVo time! "You're telling me this is FCC-compliant?" the Sports Gal hisses. "This is gross. It's nothing but crotch shots." Yeah, but still.

5:53 -- Somebody just stormed off. And it wasn't me.

5:56 -- Next up: A staggered 10-man Cruiserweight title match -- finish off one guy, the next one comes in -- an idea apparently inspired by the Hilton sisters. This is the WWE's chance to work in all their Japanese wrestlers with their small American guys who aren't good enough to have a nickname yet. Winner gets their own nickname.

6:03 -- Ugh. Just a ridiculous match -- guys are getting pinned every 20 seconds. It's insulting. I like my sports entertainment to be at least somewhat real. And yes, it's just starting to dawn on me that I paid 50 bucks for this.

6:18 -- This one should be good: Two bruising brooders (Brock Lesnar versus Goldberg), with a special guest referee (Steve Austin), plus some behind-the-scenes drama (according to the rumor mill, Lesnar is leaving the WWE to play in the NFL). "This is not about championship gold," JR tells us. "This is about finality."

The Sports Guy's Top 10 Favorite Wrestlemania matches
5. Ultimate Warrior defeats Hogan (WM 6). The classic "passing of the torch" match.

4. Stone Cold defeats Shawn Michaels (WM 15). Because this happened in Boston, because Mike Tyson was the guest referee and kept calling Austin "Cold Stone" all month, and because Michaels gutted this one out with a bad back. Took him 10 minutes to leave the ring after the pay-per-view ended. Triple H and Chyna had to basically carry him. He didn't wrestle for five years after that one.

3. Razor Ramon defeats Shawn Michaels (WM 10). The famous Ladder Match. Set the tone for every crazy match and death-defying stunt over the next 10 years. Jaw-dropping to watch as it was happening.

2. Hogan defeats Andre the Giant (WM 3). Andre had never been beaten. I mean, EVER. One of the few times in wrestling where nobody knew what was going to happen -- not even Hogan. Poor Andre did the right thing -- he could barely move at this point.

1. Ricky Steamboat defeats Randy Savage (WM 3). Unbelievable at the time. Like watching a triple-OT game in the NBA Finals where the lead changes 117 times in 30 minutes. That's the only way I can describe it. Changed the face of the WWF -- suddenly it was no longer OK for two guys to stand in the middle of the ring and exchange headlocks and body chops for 10 straight minutes.

6:25 -- Angered at Lesnar's potential departure, the fans have banded together for three "You sold out!" chants already. You can practically feel the venom. Is that what would have happened if I announced my move to Hollywood in a sold-out arena filled with Page 2 readers?

(By the way, nothing's happened in this match for five full minutes. That's what happens when you have two muscle guys without any moves -- they stall to drag things out, then they punch each other, mix in some body slams and throw about 500 clotheslines. I'm having Kane-Undertaker flashbacks. This is awful.)

6:30 -- I'm day-dreaming. You know, if my friend Sal had bothered to show up, we'd be knee-deep into a debate about Goldberg being one of the five greatest Jewish athletes of all-time. Unfortunately, Sal had better things to do -- like anything. And this is a guy who once walked into MSG wearing a Rowdy Roddy Piper kilt.

Hey, maybe I'm too old to be watching this any more, too. Maybe Jim Ross was right. Maybe tonight is about finality.

(Nahhhhhhhhh ...)

6:33 -- Goldberg pins Lesnar. Gee, that never happens -- someone losing a big match when they're on their way out of the WWE? I'm beginning to think this stuff is fixed.

(Stone Cold ends up cleaning house -- first Lesnar, then Goldberg. Yeah, it's always a good idea to have your crippled has-beens beating up guys in their prime who should be carrying the company. Savvy. Just a brutal match all around.)

6:39 -- How 'bout this announcement: WrestleMania XXI is coming ... to L.A.! Woohoo! That's where I live!

6:40 -- Just shared my excitement with the Sports Gal, who paused for a few seconds, then responded, "Great," her voice laden with sarcasm. Does anyone know a good divorce lawyer?

6:42 -- Yet another four-way tag-team title match, featuring the likes of Rikishi, Scotty 2 Hotty, Bradshaw and some guys who apparently just signed WWE contracts a few hours ago. If this match were a celebrity basketball game, Coolio and Dean Cain would be posting each other up right now.

6:50 -- We're nearing the three-hour mark. Writing this WrestleMania diary was like running a marathon -- it seemed like a good idea at the time, then you're at mile No. 16, you need to pee, your toenails are falling off, fraternity guys wearing viking helmets are passing you, and you just want to throw yourself off a bridge. That's how I feel right now.

6:52 -- Rikishi just performed the "Stinkface," where he rubs his giant rear end in someone's face. There isn't anything worse than the Stinkface, maybe in any walk of life. I don't even care who wins anymore.

6:54 -- Wearing Harrison Ford's beard from "The Fugitive," Jesse Ventura interviews Donald Trump for a few minutes, then hints that he's running for President in 2008. Fantastic. I'm either voting for him or the Ultimate Warrior.

6:57 -- Yet another title match: Women's champ Victoria against challenger Molly Holly (token tomboy). Loser gets their head shaved. These are dangerous matches -- when Kurt Angle lost one a few years ago, his hair never grew back. It was tragic.


Who is Eddie Guerrero? A wrestler in need of a nickname.

You know, this looks like the perfect time to take Dooze for a walk ... from the look on her face, we may even be stopping by the Double Deuce. Don't go anywhere.

7:06 -- We're back, and just in time for tonight's second main event -- the aformentioned Angle (one of the all-time great heels) against improbable WWE champ Eddie Guerrero (how do you say "Blah" in Spanish?). Plus, Cole and Tazz are announcing this one. Just shoot me. Even the choice of the last Bachelorette wasn't as bad as Eddie being made WWE champ.

(On the bright side, Angle's bloated head makes him look like the white Barry Bonds. Would you like to renew your Balco membership for another year, Mr. Angle?)

7:16 -- You know, every time Tazz refers to "champion Eddie Guerrero," I keep checking to see if I accidentally ordered one of those TNA pay-per-views.

7:22 -- Oh, boy. Kurt just had Eddie in one of those "Ace and Gary" bearhugs against the ropes. I'm officially developing a Canseco-sized eye tick.

7:36 -- Eddie outwits Angle to keep the title. Nice match. We're now at the 216-minute mark. I can only imagine how you feel.

7:39 -- I'm in shock. Honestly, I'm in disbelief. I haven't had time to follow wrestling for the past two years ... now I'm back and the Undertaker is still wrestling Kane? "This is a match made in hell!" JR screams. He's not kidding. If you end up in hell, you actually have to watch tapes of these guys wrestling for the rest of eternity. They're almost as bad a couple as Bobby Bacala and Janice Soprano.

7:42 -- Brief history on the Undertaker: Started out as the Prince of Darkness, performed sacrifices of other wrestlers, feuded with his evil brother Kane for about 25 years, then did an about-face with a redneck motorcycle gimmick (accompanied by two Kid Rock theme songs). Now he's back as the Prince of Darkness. And he's feuding with his brother for the 350th time. And nobody seems to care that this doesn't add up.


7:45 -- Wait, it's the Undertaker and Kane, standing in the middle of the ring and killing time. What year is this?

7:50 -- Clothesline, legdrop, punch, clothesline, kick, clothesline, clothesline, kick, punch, choke, punch, flurry of punches, more punches ... I'm just bummed out. Imagine watching that Spurs-Nets Finals every month for about 12 years. Now I remember why I stopped watching wrestling.


You mean Kane is still fighting? No wonder the Sports Guy gave up on wrestling.

7:54 -- Undertaker pins Kane for the win, rolls his eyes back, sticks his tongue out. We're closing in on four hours. Also, my head hurts, my back is throbbing, I've lost all feeling in my butt cheeks, and I think I'm getting divorced. Other than that, it's been fun.

8:03 -- Our last match ...

(And thank God.)

... a "triple-threat" encounter between established stars Chris Benoit, Shawn Michaels and Triple H (our current World Heavyweight Champion -- that's somehow different than WWE champion ... again, don't ask). More importantly, if this doesn't end soon, I might miss both the East and West Coast airings of the Sopranos. Unprecedented.

(That reminds me, on paper, this was the greatest non-NFL Sunday of TV ever: A full day of college hoops games; an NBA doubleheader; the March Madness bracket show; episode 2 of "The Sopranos"; "Curb Your Enthusiasm"'s one-hour season finale; and WrestleMania. Just a murderer's row of shows. If every weekend was like this, I'd die single ... which may happen, anyway.)

8:05 -- You know my "How Much Would You Pay" game? I think I would pay $2,500 to do Triple H's entrance just once -- walking out with my championship belt as the sellout crowd cheered me on, stepping onto the ring, staring out dramatically ... and spitting water into the first few rows. That looks fantastic. Maybe I'll try this in the office tomorrow.

8:17 -- "His back has gotta be killin' him," JR says. Was he talking about me or Shawn Michaels?

8:23 -- Superb match. Michaels' head is gushing blood -- it looks like he just came out of one of the elevators at the Overlook Hotel. Benoit is sprawled out over a table. Triple H's head is busted wide open. There are even pools of blood all over the ring.

"This is gonna boil down to willpower," Lawler screams. And the script. Don't forget the script.

8:25 -- What drama! First JR gives us the "My God, all these men are battered, they're hurt, they're bruised, two are bloody ... who's gonna win the World Heavyweight belt?" monologue ... then he refers to Michaels' head as "The proverbial crimson mask." Plus, I just moved for the first time in two hours.

8:30 -- "The winner of this belt ... and neeeeeeewwwwwwwwww World Heavyweight Champion ... Chris Benoit!" Great ending. Although I'm not sure how to feel about this one ... it's like one of those Masters years where someone like Hal Sutton wins the title. You're happy for him, but at the same time, it's Hal Sutton.

Of course, JR is delighted: "For my money, this has been the greatest WrestleMania of all time!"

I'm not sure about that, but one thing's for sure: It was definitely the longest. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to regain the feeling in my rear end.

Bill Simmons is a columnist for Page 2 and ESPN The Magazine, as well as one of the writers for "Jimmy Kimmel Live" on ABC

Source: http://sports.espn.g...=simmons/040315

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Sports Guy's Tom Ten WM Matches


10. Ultimate Warrior defeats Randy "Macho Man" Savage (WM 7). Surprisingly good match, capped off by the emotional reunion of Savage and Miss Elisabeth. He would never admit it, but this match actually made my friend Birdman tear up.

9. Undertaker defeats Giant Gonzalez (WM 9). You really had to see the Giant wearing this furry Big Foot costume that was supposed to be scary. Highest of high comedy. This match literally ended his career. People were laughing in the crowd.

8. Bret Hart defeats Stone Cold Steve Austin (WM 13). One of those rare matches where the bad guy was supposed to become the good guy and vice-versa, and it actually worked. Stone Cold's defining moment.

7. Jake the Snake and Rick Martel (WM 7). This was a Blindfold Match. I don't even remember who won. Worst idea ever. Two guys stumbling around the ring for 10 minutes. It was fantastic.

6. Hulk Hogan and Mr. T defeat Roddy Piper and Paul Orndorff (WM 1). The first-ever Wrestlemania main event. Not the greatest match, but those few minutes leading up to the match were unparalleled. It was like Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals at MSG.

5. Ultimate Warrior defeats Hogan (WM 6). The classic "passing of the torch" match.

4. Stone Cold defeats Shawn Michaels (WM 15). Because this happened in Boston, because Mike Tyson was the guest referee and kept calling Austin "Cold Stone" all month, and because Michaels gutted this one out with a bad back. Took him 10 minutes to leave the ring after the pay-per-view ended. Triple H and Chyna had to basically carry him. He didn't wrestle for five years after that one.

3. Razor Ramon defeats Shawn Michaels (WM 10). The famous Ladder Match. Set the tone for every crazy match and death-defying stunt over the next 10 years. Jaw-dropping to watch as it was happening.

2. Hogan defeats Andre the Giant (WM 3). Andre had never been beaten. I mean, EVER. One of the few times in wrestling where nobody knew what was going to happen -- not even Hogan. Poor Andre did the right thing -- he could barely move at this point.

1. Ricky Steamboat defeats Randy Savage (WM 3). Unbelievable at the time. Like watching a triple-OT game in the NBA Finals where the lead changes 117 times in 30 minutes. That's the only way I can describe it. Changed the face of the WWF -- suddenly it was no longer OK for two guys to stand in the middle of the ring and exchange headlocks and body chops for 10 straight minutes.

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that Sports Guy doesn't seem to have a grasp on what's happening in wrestling anymore...if he ever truly did.

Shouldn't sports writers know what they're writing about?

I mean I understand there were parts he didn't like, but that entire article just seems like one huge bash of the event.

meh. whatever.

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Actually, I took it as a comedy piece. He works as a writter or something on the Jimmy Kimmel show.

I think he was kidding in a lot of the parts

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ah...well if you didn't know he was a comedy person, it'd really seem like he's bashing it completely.

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That Sports Guy is the very reason that old jerks like Hogan and guys that EVERYONE is tired of as champs (like HHH) remain on top. Notice how he bashes Eddie Guerrero and Benoit for being the champs? What did he want? More of the same HHH, HBK, and (insert same old guys on top names here) to win? Just goes to show where he is as far as being a fan. Who gives a sh*t about his "comedy".

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yeah, even reading it like it is supposed to be funny...it just isn't.

it just casts a bad image on the great product that they are starting to put out again.

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Hi, new to this Message Board. Found it while looking for Star Wars stuff, but I love WWE even more, so I had to chime in.

I thought Wrestlemania XX was done really well. I've been a Benoit fan since his WCW days as a Horseman, so I was happy to see him win the strap. The only thing I was really disappointed with was Undertaker's look. It was the "bad-ass" look with a coat and a hat. The eye-rolling, Paul Bearer and the flames were great, but couldn't they have made him a tad more vintage? But you can't have everything.

Wrestlemania XXI will be in my backyard, so I'll be there! I hope it will be as good as this one was.

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The offical Stallion Review of wmXX

Overall, it felt like old school wrestling, a HUGE improvement then the crap spewed out lately.

Opening bout, though I knew Cena was going to win, I actually found the match alot like an old time match, with the small guy cheating to win! Was alittle slow, but very well done, usually the opening bouts are terrible. I'm also a big fan of both show and cena.

Raw fatal fourway, this should have been the opening bout, a good match, I was dissapointed Devon didn't do much, but overall a decent match, no complaints there, though it was ment as a filler, it was a real good one.

CHristian vs Y2J: The match was alittle slow, but I expected that, but the buildup and the ending of the match, made the match great.

In fact, with trish turning on Y2j like that, brought back highschool memories!

(Flashback to stallion's high school years)

Stallion: There was this girl, i was so crazed over her, that I even asked on nightly on what to do, if the threads still around, it's somewhere in the catiana, anyway we went on a date, i messed up alittle but it was my first date ever so that's natural, anyway after "just married ended" I felt like the man, anyway but the following week would be the funniest/saddest days of my life.

It turns out a friend of mine and her go out, she tells me we just aren't ready for anything serious, and that she's interested in him, so the following day at school, I'm a depressed wreck, a friend of mine cheers me up (the same friend who went to wmxx, and told me that one commerical was for a house show, he is not the one who betrayed me) so I confront my so called friend about her, and he tells me it was all a joke, he wasn't really dating her, it was just her idea to tell me she wasn't interested. Well I was furious, and challeneged everyone in the hallway to a brawl, and a black friend (yes you read right, i'm not a racist) backs me up, makes us all laugh, and calms me down. And proubly saved my so called friends life. (end flashback)

Anyway the way trish acted in that ending, reminded me of that incident, and the way jerico was furious, I felt for him, anyway yea, so I enjoyed the ending.

Evolution vs rock and sock: I was jumping up and down all over the match, it brought me back to my early teenage years, very well done, but to bad orten didn't get injured again, the ending sucked, I was hoping for them to win after rocks speech on raw, but all well, it just proves that orten sucks *****.

The playboy match made me forget all about the 2 matches before it, and brought a huge smile to my face :D

It was nice seeing the hall of fame inducties. Seeing slaughter was a nice change.

The cw open was alot of fun, though I knew chavo was going to win, and I felt that tajuris friend should have been pinned instead of just declared elemanted, it was still alot of fun to watch the match.

The godlberg vs lensar match suprised me, I thought lesnar was going to win, it was boring, but the ending with goldberg winning made it all better, and austin comming out on top was a nice touch, I hope there's never a rematch, they have terrible chemenstry toghether.

the womens title match was good eye candy, but after molly got shaved, she reminded me of Ripley from alien 3 puke .

The smackdown fatal fourway was awsome, though I was kinda hoping for Farouque to do alittle more, I was jumping up and down excitly when Scotty and Rikishi retained. After all these years, thoughs to still entertain me.

Eddie vs Angle was ok, for some reason I just wasn't all that into it, it wasn't a bad match, but it wasn't a favorite, to bad, cause I like both guys.

Taker vs kane was good, it reminded me of when taker first came into the wwe, however, taker looked like crap, if I was hyped over his return, I would have been very disapointed, but by not expecting much, I was able to enjoy it alot.

And for the main event, it was good, I was glad benoit won, and I loved HHH tapping out, but like an idiot, I stumbled upon beinoit winning, so I knew that beforehand which took away the surpise, but even knowing, I appologise for putting down the main event, it proved to be worthy of wrestlemaia once I saw it.

In conclusion, if farouque and devon did more, and if taker didn't look so dumb,and if evolution lost, it would have been a superberb ppv, however, it was good, and hopefully, they will keep putting out quality ppv's like this one, I knew that the talent could pull it off despite the bad card, and they did :D thumbs_u

there hasn't been a ppv in a while that made me laugh, jump up and down, made me pissed, and overall entertained me like this did.

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Hello Newbie!!! :D

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I guess that would be me. Hello Cerina_Warlu!

Stallion, did you know that Slaughter still works for the WWE? If you look closely, you'll see him come out with security/EMT's when guys are hurt at ringside. He's in plain dress clothes, but it's him. No mistaking that jaw.

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yup.. he was a cool guy..

good to have you here M_D thumbs_u

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Michael Davenport:
I guess that would be me. Hello Cerina_Warlu!

Stallion, did you know that Slaughter still works for the WWE? If you look closely, you'll see him come out with security/EMT's when guys are hurt at ringside. He's in plain dress clothes, but it's him. No mistaking that jaw.

Yea I know he still works in the wwe, but it was nice to see him in uniform.

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quote:


News On Originally Planned Hardy/Henry Feud
Posted By Ashish on 03.19.04

And how Matt could have made WrestleMania...

WWE was planning on having a Matt Hardy vs. Mark Henry match at WrestleMania XX before Henry got injured. The plan was to have Hardy snap his losing streak at the show. Once Henry got injured though, WWE dropped Hardy's losing streak gimmick

cry At least they were planning something for him.

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He's better off if you ask me. Working with Mark Henry would've done nothing but made him look bad in the ring. Henry can't perform a decent move or even sell a move properly.

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Ixion:

quote:


News On Originally Planned Hardy/Henry Feud
Posted By Ashish on 03.19.04

And how Matt could have made WrestleMania...

WWE was planning on having a Matt Hardy vs. Mark Henry match at WrestleMania XX before Henry got injured. The plan was to have Hardy snap his losing streak at the show. Once Henry got injured though, WWE dropped Hardy's losing streak gimmick

cry At least they were planning something for him.

That sucks thumbs_d Hopefully they'll plan something big for him.... SOON.

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a big retirement party, perhaps?

nah..hopefully, they will have something good planned for him soon.

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I like how Ivan spat the dummy... mwhahahaha!

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Wasn't WM last month?

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yea, but bane lives in the long term.

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ivan5658:


Im ahuge bret fan.. and a huge benoit fan... and i recent Shawn for the montreal screw job; hence why this story woyuld please me beyond beliefe....

Benoit making Shawn tap to the sharpshooter as bret looks on and cheers on..... PRICELESS

oh god your not another one of those guys who cant get over a stupid event 7 years ago huh...Man even BRET would tell you to get over it, so GET over it

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Wow... you've been going through the trash... meh, alls good. Welcome to the Arena, play nice or I'll kick your ass.



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