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Yup, UK. I mean, I actually think this was FAR FAR worse than the TV movie!

 

I don't know what the crap I saw but it sure as hell wasn't Doctor Who!

 

And next week's doesn't look much better. The Time Lord president vaporizing a fellow TL cuz she disagreed with him? Um, yeah...

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politics have always been in the show. there have been umpteen episodes involving the british government

hell the master was the prime minister!

 

they only put obama in to demonstrate the impact of the master taking over the bodies. ie he was able to possess one of the most powerful men in the world

 

personally i thought it was brilliant

 

john sim was awesome as ever

 

bit of a shame he played the master, as he'd have made a great doctor!

 

and bond was pimp

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I've learnt to ignore the sillyness of RTD bastardising things. John Simm is great, he can only do what he is given to do but WTF was that coming out of his hands? Explanations please?

 

Politics has been in it quite a bit throughout this series but I think it was used more to show how powerful The Master's plan was, rather than having any political ideas pushed.

 

I hope the Time Lords come in a vapourise everybody. That way we don't have to have any stupid ****ing Earth based stories and we'll have a good clean break from the RTD era.

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:lol:

 

This comment actually sums up what I was thinking at the end of the episode (before the Dalton reveal)

 

"Did Russell T Davies think up the Master-race line and then work backwards from there?"

 

Exactly. There can't be a better excuse for that car crash.

 

I think RTD has done this with many many episodes over the last four years.

 

Although I do think that with a two parter you can't judge it until its complete as this quote says:

 

It was silly in parts: the 'Master Race' in particular. It had some nice moments, especially the Wilf-Doctor conversation in the cafe. It's a typical set-up episode really. I think it could have been tighter - you could have knocked it down to 45mins I think without too much damage.

 

I do have to say though it'll be nice to have someone else in charge as I do think RTD's done.

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I think that was the problem, Tank. Tennant wasn't in it enough. There seemed to be a lot of empty "who the hell are these people and why the F should I care about them?" scenes. On top of that I think the pacing and editing was just all stupid. If I recall right we jump from the touching Cafe scene with Grand Dad Donna and the Doc straight to suddenly being in the junk yard again and getting an almost 4th wall breaking voice over from some unknown character (at the time and still if you aren't up on spoilers or can't put 2+2 together with what is shown in teasers for Part 2). Also the music was annoying bombastic, I felt it didn't mesh correctly with what I was seeing or feeling.

 

You know what?

 

The more I think about this the more I think this tale might have failed in POST-PRODUCTION rather than just from a straight on story angle.

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No, it failed on all levels, writing, directing, editing, and in some cases, acting.

 

I’m really beginning to think RTD is suffering from some type of racism. Yes, we all think mixed coupled and same sex couples are modern and all, but stop! He turned it into a stereotype. Speaking of stereotypes, you have A Black (thank you “Hangover") and his daughter being all evil drinking champagne and almost making out with each other while giving grand speeches. In the same room is the green alien couple who are there for no other reason than to shimmer away their human skins.

 

On to the travesty that was The Master. This is why I think this was worse than the TV movie. Was I suddenly watching an episode of Heroes with John Simm and David Tennant? What and why did the Master get those powers. Did The Emperor teach him? And that whole hunger thing? The TV movie had one over the top performance with the Master. This episode made Roberts look like Ainley in “Survival†by comparison.

 

Continuing with unnecessary crap. In the middle of a dramatic chase scene, we get to stop and witness the Doctor get molested by geriatric women. MMM, and Jar Jar stepping in Bantha Poo-doo was insulting?!?

 

Methinks RTD is a vegetarian too. MEAT BAD, SAME RACE COUPLE BORING, LET ME ENLIGHTEN YOU LITTLE VIEWERS.

 

Obama: He was used to push an agenda. He’ll solve the depression by bestowing a brilliant gift upon us on Christmas Day! (PUKE) There are 50% of us that can’t stand his socialist ass. Why polarize us?

 

Donna got really fat.

 

Why is the Time Lord spitting so much? Was that not noticed in Post Production? Did the director tell T. Dalton to spit dramatically?

 

Speaking of the Lord President and atrocious RTD writing. Enough of the “The dids!†The humans did sleep. The humans did forget. The humans did die. This viewing human did get annoyed!

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They still have the second part to explain what is up with the Master, so I am withholding judgement there.

 

The shimmer aliens seem pointless.

 

The only thing that really seems stupid to me, is the resurrection scene. That was pure nonsense. This cult is trying to bring him back to life-- but they think he is John Saxon. So... a cult over a politician? And his wife, who's been in prison, turns to a turncoat amongst them she just met, and has an OMG ANTI-POTION!

 

That was the only part that really stupefied me and made no sense, and could have been better written.

 

Everything else seems pretty standard Who-fare to me.http://forums.nightly.net/index.php?showtopic=28677&st=1160

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Yeah, I will relent that this is a fault of RTD.

 

EVERYONE IS DEAD.

 

BUT WAIT, THIS GUY IS BACK.

 

okay NOW he is did for finale for reals forever.

 

EXCEPT HE'S BACK!!!

 

The Master, The Daleks, The Cybermen, the Timelords, Rose-- all supposedly DONE FOREVER NO MATTER WHAT.... UNTIL NEXT SEASON.

 

The Master has died and come back so many times if you include the orignaal Who-run it's almost comedic. Should the Doctor REALLY be shocked when he comes back again?

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A great point about exactly how bad RTD is at digging a hole for himself and not being able to pull himself back out of it again.

 

At least in the original series they had a decent way to bring the Master back from the brink (try and steal the Doctor's regenerations/eye of harmony/whatever) and not just a Crazy Magic Cult use a ring to ressurect him.

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I’m with you, Ryn.

 

Both as a continuation of Part 1 and as a stand alone episode, I’d give it a “meh.†It’s 100% better than Part 1, but whatever my cats leave it their litter box and the TV Movie is better than Part 1.

 

OK, so it combined the worst of Star Wars (amateur George Lucas humor in the middle of dramatic sequences and laser turrets), the best of Star Wars (great alien bar scene and even a short brunette woman in white robes), and the best of Star Trek (radiation in an enclosed chamber that THE main character sacrifices himself to save…a person). So, where these homages or rip-offs or weak writing? Well, since my opinion of RTD went from ultimate respect in Season One to utter Rick Berman like disgust, I’d say a combination of all three.

 

I think this story left more questions unanswered on purpose. Not for effective story writing, but again, RTD is a talentless hack that had us all fooled at one point. This stinks of waving the white flag and letting the new guy to clean up the mess.

 

I do have one question that I think deserves immediate answering. Since when does a Time Lord get to casually travel time and space holding off a deadly injury and regeneration until he gets to say all his proper good byes?

 

Weak. Not the worst, but oh so very weak…

 

PS, Matt Smith= Utter Failure. I hope I’m convinced otherwise…

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A shame you guys couldn't enjoy it. For me, I thought it was a solid entertaining episode.

 

My take on the farewells is that this time it took time for his body to die, just like in the caves of androzani where he is slowly dying after the first 5 mins of the episode.

 

But yeah it was convenient! But can we just give the new guy a chance before calling for his head? Daniel Craig wasn't a popular choice for Bond if I remember rightly...

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