DANA-kin Skywalker

Nothing like naming a planet Act-Two to remind us which movie we are watching

The funny thing is, if ever a Star Wars movie could have benefited from a crawl, it was this one and it didn't have it. Instead we got a soft-openIng scene of ten-year old Jyn witnessIng some horrible stuff. Next scene: she's on a different planet, all grown up, shes in a prison, and we learn very, very little about her life between these two events...which begs the question why have that opening scene at all. It was an incredibly ineffective opening scene.

Interesting that Ripley was a sciencey civilian-type person in the first two movies, then during cryo-sleep she was magically lieutenant Ripley. She must've enlisted while sleeping.

Yep, one of my favorite movies of all time. Ripley's one of my favorite characters of all time. Very progressive for 1978, too. The xenomorph is one of the most terrifying movie monsters of all time, especially in the first movie. Aliens is one of my favorite movie sequels of all time.

 

Alien 3 and beyond...well....*sigh*. I like to pretend they never happened. They screwed up Ripley's character, screwed up the xenomorph...and generally got Alien "wrong". Prometheus was the exception. It was unpopular but I liked it enough. At least it didn't leech off the franchise like the others did.

Star Wars taught me the words "clone" and "cunning".

I cannot believe they still haven't let you pass elementary school.

Rey=Darth Revan + The Jedi Exile

 

Poe=Carth Onasi + charisma

 

Finn=Trask from the tutorial

I'm sure I'm the last person here to see this, but I just saw an interesting part of Star Wars celebration that, in my opinion, rules out potential parents for Rey.

 

At SW celebration, Josh Gad was on stage with Daisy Ridley, Rian Johnson, and Kathleen Kennedy. Josh was asking Daisy some very bold questions. He asked her if she was a blood relative to Luke, and she cracks a massive smile and gently shakes her head no, Josh then askes if her name is "Rey Skywalker". Her smile shrinks a bit at the redundant question. She is then asked if her name is "Rey Kenobi". The crowd screams and loses their collective minds and she laughs at this. She doesn't directly answer the question, but comments on the reaction the crowd gave.

 

To me, this unofficially confirms that Rey is not a descendant of Anakin, Luke, or Leia. Nor is she related to Ben Kenobi either because if she was, there was NO WAY Josh would have been allowed to ask that question in the first place.

Anakin sees his wife crying and dying. Luke sees his friends in pain and in danger. Rey sees a guy get impaled with a lightsaber right in front of her.

 

The force always shows you such lovely visions. It also seems to show a very significant moment in the protagonists character arc. In all three instances, the vision always "pushes along" the character down a certain path...usually a not so great one. Luke goes and loses a hand, almost his life. Anakin loses...everything and then some. Rey doesn't lose a damn thing. Han I guess? She only just met him though. This is the first vision where what's been seen is a complete mystery. It just didn't feel like there was a payoff to it...there's an opportunity for that to happen still though. I hope they follow through with it.

 

Edit: I guess the payoff was the moment the lightsaber flew into Rey's hand. Accepting her destiny, passing down Excalibur, and all that cool stuff. It just kind of feels like it would have happened anyways.

You guys are all over thinking this. He did that simply to give Luke back his sex droid

...rub a few out using the force? In other words force-choking

After Prometheus anything is an improvement.

You say that as if Alien Resurrection and AvP don't already exist.

 

Even with all of Prometheus's logical flaws, I actually thought it was pretty decent. I didn't "get it" the first time watching, but it definitely grew on me.

 

Part of the reason Prometheus deceeded expectations was the lack of an alien, and that's not what fans were expecting, so your right about that...but in it's defense it's titled "Prometheus" not "Alien: rebirth" or something like that. That's Ridley Scott firing a warning shot saying "Hey! Don't expect lots of a xenomorph in this". I seem to also remember him saying "it was a prequel that takes place in this cinematic universe, but isn't exactly an 'Alien' movie" or something to that effect. I kind of liked the fact it was a fairly original film for...what is it...sixth in the franchise?

 

I consider Prometheus the third best Alien movie, and then a huge drop off in quality, Alien 3, then another drop in quality with the other movies which I consider dumb.

 

All that being said, from what I've seen of this one, it's probably going to be less like Prometheus and more like all the other movies in the series, make way more money than Prometheus and be boring to me.

Lando does an incredible job of disguising himself as a guard, infiltrating Jabba's palace and getting free reign of the place. Then does absolutely nothing with it to the point where he's the one who had to be rescued.

...by a blind Han Solo who should have NO reason to like or trust Lando. As far as Han's concerned, one moment Lando sold his ass out and froze him like Walt Disney, then when he wakes up they are immediately BFFs again. I don't care how much time actually passed between the movies, because since Han was frozen, he and Lando were enemies what must've felt like only minutes ago to Han.

 

So for him to go meditate alone to become the greatest Jedi would be a departure from the Luke that we've seen so far.

That may be what happens, but I agree with Fozzie, it's not consistent with what we know of him.

But that IS what happened. So like it or not it is consistent with what we know of him.

It is? Astonishing. How did you manage to see the Luke Skywalker stand alone film and novelization before it's been written yet?

As far as Luke's character goes, it has been demonstrated over and over that he is a family-oriented individual. In ANH he initially declined Ben's offer of Jedi training to stay with his uncle. In ESB he dropped out of Dagobah Jedi college to help his friends despite both of his mentors wishes to "sacrifice them in honor of what they fight for." In ROTJ he went on a suicide mission to surrender himself in order to keep his friends safe and to save his father's soul (again, against his mentors' advice). Ben thought a fight to the death was inevitable...Luke refused to believe that even as it was happening. His motivations were never to be the greatest Jedi or the ultimate warrior like Myamoto Masashi. His motivations always centered around his friends. If that meant dropping out of Jedi training, and risking his own half-trained Jedi skin, then he would try.

 

This is why I found it a bit hard to swallow in TFA he never tried to save his best friend Han. He could have showed up (albeit too late to save him) because that's what I would have expected from his character. He would have felt something in the force, got off his sad grieving ass and headed to star killer base. I fully expected HIM to grab that lightsaber in the snow. But...that's not what we got, and I understand the decision not to. I still think it was out of character.

 

That being said, Luke having a family (as opposed to a solitary monk) makes more sense to me for his character. I'm not saying it HAS to be that way....there's a good chance it's not. Again, that doesn't seem to be the trajectory his character is headed. Kathleen Kennedy and Ryan Johnson seem to have different plans for his character. It's just I disagree with it.

Me too...seriously. My post was sort of tongue In cheek, but honestly I think it's better than the trajectory Luke's story seems to be going in. I find it hard to believe Luke did nothing with his life after ROTJ. No wife? No kids? I don't like that at all. Now he's supposedly all... "the Jedi must end", and all pessimistic. I'd much rather believe he had a wife, Who just so happened to be a Jedi student of his, had a child with Luke, maybe she kept it a secret from him. Perhaps she was charged with protecting the Jedi temple while Luke left for a bit and Kylo Ren killed her along with the rest of the students and torched the temple. That has more emotional resonance as far as Luke's concerned. It makes his self-imposed exile a bit more believable knowing his wife was murdered by her own nephew.

Here's my recapitulated thoughts for the record...

 

I think in earlier drafts Rey (as Kira) was 100% Luke's daughter. When Kasdan and Abrams took over, they decided they didn't beed the extra work and baggage that created and ditched the idea. But-- they used a lot of the groundwork laid for Kira and morphed her into Rey. As a result, in juts watching TFA, that DNA is there. This is why I argued so hard in favor of it in the beginning.

 

In TLJ they decided to get distance from it because of the problems it would create narratively so I think the implication will be that Rey's parents were Jedi that Luke was teaching and that The Knights of Ren killed.

 

That said, in Episode IX I fully expect for them to reveal that she IS Luke's daughter, but he didn't know it because her mother never told him after seeing what was happening to Ben.

Luke was the savior of the galaxy and brought back the Jedi. He is entitled to all the ***** he could ever want. No doubt he banged all his students, so he totally could have knocked up a few of them.

Good point pavonis. We don't know for sure if she even has parents.

He didn't hate it? What? He didn't love it either?! What is wrong with him, talking about a movie (star wars no less) without either blindly sucking it's dick or taking a dump all over it? He must be new to internetting. Whet a dumb stupid idiot face head.

The senate even had a bunch of E.T.'s on one of the floaty-pods.

 

Then again, maybe they were elves or leprechauns.

You don't get it. I don't need to back it up. It's far too tedious to try and list every single tiny thing that fell flat for me, and nobody wants to read that anyways.

It vaguely looks like a Boba Fett to me. I didn't see that until you guys pointed it out, and I had do actively look for it. It justlooks like a guy in a helmet to me.

 

In fact, he looks more like the NARC from the 80s arcade game.

As long as you ignore all the light humor and sense of adventure that was sprinkled liberally through the Prequels almost like it was a George Lucas production, then yeah, sure I suppose that's correct. I'm sure a movie that is afraid to have any deviation from the Originals in settings or plot and has almost no originality in design is much better for a sense of adventure.

 

I sometimes wonder if you even think before criticizing the Prequels.

Poe, it just wasn't funny. I was pretty clear when I said "succeded in every way the PT did not". I'm recognizing the attempts at humor and fun are there, but it failed to work for me. The reasons for this vary from movie to movie. Instead of being fun and light, it came off as silly to me. This is what is called an opinion. I've seen all the damn movies. It's not that I missed something, It just didn't work for me. You like it? Great, more movies for you to enjoy.

If I had to criticize TFA for something, lacking the humor of the OT is not it. It's one of the things I thought it got right. In fact, I think it's one of it's strongest qualities, and the biggest thing I thought lacking in the PT. A sense of adventure with light humor. What that's called again? Oh yeah...FUN. TFA succeeded in this in every way the PT did not, in my opinion.

Why the hell would you post a picture of your vibrator collection?