Filthy Jawa

He gets it and he doesn’t. 
You subvert expectations once, twice, it creates some twists and turns and you surprise your audience it helps the story. You do it over and over and it’s just a lame gimmick that hurts the story. We don’t have to go over this again. He struck the right chord for you, less so for me. 
 

But the Luke thing bugs me. There’s a Luke Problem. Fix it. This is Disney. They have all the money in the world to hire the most gifted filmmakers and writers out there and they can’t fix The Luke Problem?

On 1/18/2021 at 2:55 PM, The Choc said:

There is nothing in ROTJ to suggest Luke is some kind of crazy powerful guy. Its not like he goes head to head with the Emperor and win with some crazy display of power. He wins by throwing his saber away. Just because a group of fans thinks Luke becomes this God like powerful figure doesn't make it so and doesnt mean there is anything in the movies to even suggest it.

I said this last year in another thread and got shit on by everyone here and told I was wrong. 
 

I have no idea how this assumption of God Luke came from. Luke had a tiny fraction of the training of an actual Jedi. I guess he’s born with a crazy M-count / Godpower because genetics? I’m not sure that’s even really implied in the OT. What they do say is that he’s their last hope - they’re desperate so this kid with some potential will have to do. 

I agree there is a Luke Problem going into the ST if you assume he’s God, but what’s wrong with shocking fan assumptions? I think that’s when Star Wars is at its best and that’s what the team making this last trilogy really didn’t understand. Luke isn’t the most powerful Jedi of all time - he defeated evil because he inspired his father. Love defeated Hate and all that nonsense.

The problem that the old crew’s story was finished is real, but it’s not unsolvable.  

I don’t know my Mandalorian history as well as you obviously, but it sounded like Mando’s crew were regarded as some cultish sect by Bo Katan and her friends. And they were linked to the Deathwatch, right?

I suppose it’s one of those ‘perspective’ things. But it didn’t sound like Bo Katan was some fringe player in Mandalorian politics in the time of this series.

But I like your explanation. It’s better than anything I’ve got.  

True. Anakin had a very strong connection to The Force, he just went to the Dark Side. It’s the same with fans. 

In mythic storytelling it does tend to go that way though, doesn’t it? Luke, Rey, Harry Potter, Frodo, The Last Starfighter... they all had the power but didn’t believe it at first. It’s often the journey of learning to believe in yourself and then succeeding.

Weirdly it doesn’t seem to hold true for comic book heroes as consistently. Supes, Cap... those guys just wanted to be heroes from the get go. Maybe that’s why they’re the boring ones.

But then look at Wolverine in Bryan Singer’s X-Men (which arguably created the mold for every successful superhero movie to follow). Reluctant outsider, doesn’t want to get involved, finally sees the bigger picture, gets in the game and saves the day.

I would agree, but I don’t want to sound like an old man who thinks the music the kids listen to these days is nothing but noise.

Like you guys

double post

15 hours ago, Tank said:

I have a one dude I love to watch. He's a young black dude who grew up with hip hop and he takes suggestions on alt and metal songs. There's something anthropological about watching it, it';s like he is discovering the dead sea scrolls and genuinely loves most of the music he discovers. Rage Against the Machine and Metallica both blew his mind. Recently he reacted to Dolly Parton's Jolene. I love his videos. I love that somebody young and raised in a very precise culture is discovering things from fellow humans. It's heartening.

I guess I’m too cynical but I also think this genre is fake.
 

I think I’ve seen that guy - there are a few of these “black guy listens to —- for the first time” channels. 
For one thing, they always love the “white” music they hear. But what bothers me more is the sort of mild racism associated with it. It’s all built on this premise that black people are so insular they’ve never even heard of Queen/Dolly Parton/AC-DC/etc.  before. And to a lesser extent there is the notion that black people are the arbiters of cool and this guy liking ABBA makes it okay for your white ass to like it.

Not saying these videos are the worst thing in our society, but they may be subversively contributing to some of the issues we’ve been trying to confront this past year. 

So why can't Mando give Bo Katan the Darksabre? Didn't Sabine give it to her before?

I think Choc is right in saying Rey and Luke both choose to stay home at first and then get thrown down a path that leads to them becoming Jedi heroes.

Which is different than what we’re told about the generations of Jedi taken from their families as children to train. 
 

1 hour ago, Darth Kid said:

The man has talent, no doubt, but when you see his interviews, quite frequently the conversation centers around how he translated an idea Lucas had into something palatable for the audience.

He does say those things. I’ve always thought he was playing the game right. He throws some credit to George and pays tribute to him in doing so. Otherwise he comes off as ungrateful and arrogant. But honestly I think it’s like 90% him (or more).
Maybe I’m wrong. 

Why is the answer to a perceived problem always to go to the extreme opposite? ‘The left isn’t getting the job done, we need the extreme right!’

More often (always) the right answer is to meet somewhere in the middle, but reactors gotta react. 
 

I totally see your point about all the fan service moments. Personally I like some of it and some of it just strikes the wrong notes for me as well. But someone with no sense of Star Wars would be a disaster. That’s crazy. 
 

Also I don’t think all the things you mentioned are just fan service. Dave Filoni further developing Ahsoka’s or Bo Katan’s story is not the same as Ponda Baba and Dr. Evazan popping up in Rogue One. 

19 minutes ago, Darth Kid said:

If Filoni excels at anything, its understanding and translating Lucas' intent. He seems uniquely adept at sifting through the characters and snippets of compelling story that Lucas has in his mind and using that kernel of imagination as the basis for a story worth telling.

It seems incredibly generous to George to give him any credit for these good things we see in the Filoniverse. I mean, sure he created the universe, we can’t deny that, but the creativity here is all Dave’s. 

Or maybe it’s a third option: we’ve all just given up. I wouldn’t be the first one here complaining, but when I read the list the over-saturation thing did cross my mind and then a moment later it was “meh, that’s how it is now - what’re you gonna do?”

But really, I don’t think it ever had to do with the price of the movie tickets, it was the idea (or fear) that the quality gets watered down if the quantity goes up. But maybe we’ve all realized through our maturity that when the quantity of Star Wats was low, the quality was often pretty suspect anyway. So now more choice = more chances of something good. And if The Mandalorian becomes the blueprint for future shows, it’s a good sign, even you don’t think the show is perfect. 

Is that actually a Life Day Tree on his coat?

11 hours ago, Spider-Man said:

I would very much like Disney to stop being awkward and to work out a deal with Stan.

I honestly thought that’s what had happened when I saw the episode. Then I learned here it was just an imperfect cg model. 
I’m fine with Luke being played by someone else, but it’s also fitting for Lucasfilm to be pushing innovation in special effects so I’m sure they’re going to continue down this road. 
This amount of Luke feels about right for a season. Better to leave more to the imagination about him  

If the main theme of the series is Mando protecting and delivering Grogu to his destiny, the little one won’t be with Luke for good. Star Wars has historically been about Fathers and Sons (should be updated to Parents and Children - and sort of was with the ST, but we all know how that fell apart), I do wonder if it all ends with him sacrificing himself to save his child Grogu in the end. After all, Mando’s story starts with his parents sacrificing themselves to save him.

That’s true, but in this case there is the risk that it detracts from the power of their meeting in ANH. I don’t want to get all ‘ruined my childhood’ about this, but there’s a power to the “I was but the learner” line. And it works with the ass-handing Vanakin got in Ep III (even if I don’t want the PT in my head canon). 
Sure there’s a way to justify/explain that line with a second earlier meeting, but it will be hanging over the whole thing for me. It’s all just unnecessary. 
I agree there’s probably a clever way to do it though and Filoni has been consistently clever with things so maybe he’ll surprise me. 

This will absolutely keep continuity with Rebels.

Am I in the minority in not wanting to see another Vader-Obi-wan fight? 
There’s really nothing missing from their story that needs to be told.

But subscribers...!! 

It’s all about Julie Andrews. Sadly, it seems no one knew my previous post was borrowed from Mary Poppins. 

Oh yes she does. Actually do you know what there’s no such thing as? It turns out, with due respect, when all is said and done, that there’s no such thing as YOU!

I’d like to know if anyone ever gave any consideration to suntans in Star Wars. 
 

Emperor and Vader are pale as f - makes sense. And hiring a lot of pasty Brits to play Imperial Naval Officers was a good call, all that time in space equals no tan.
But Rey and Luke growing up on desert-or-twin sun planets should have been tanned as Will Smith. What gives?

It’s not about more ships than pilots or more pilots than ships. They had more pilot uniforms than pilots. Those guys at the medal ceremony all just got promoted. 

I think that last sentence of yours sells it well enough. 

Can someone explain the difference between how deepfake works and how (whatever it is they did use) works?

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