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My screener showed up so I could watch this again rationally at home. It was worse for me the second time.

 

I don't know if I have ever seen a more expository movie. Every scene there was dialog that explained what they were doing in said scene, and what they had to do in the next one. And a lot of that dialog was off camera, which means it was ADR, which means in the edit they realized nothing made any sense.

 

Literally everything we see is followed by a line of dialog explaining what we see. This script is borderline PT levels of awful. There's even scenes that feel like they are game cut scenes like the PT. If it weren't for the production design, and the fact the cast is competent and likeable I don't know if this would be much better than TPM.

Someone cut a Spagetti Western trailer out of the Mandalorian and Jon Farveau reposted it:

This is some interesting stuff and pretty damning for Disney if true https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/eisnd8/heres_what_ive_been_told_from_a_source_that/

The fobs do not have an unlimited range. The news of the mando defeating the ATST is what brought the bounty hunter to the planet in the first place and THEN the fob was used to get the precise location on that planet. There are a few things that make this evident.

Firstly, the Mandalorian is a bounty hunter himself (or was) and knows about fobs and presumably how they work. If he knew he could be tracked across the galaxy indefinitely by any bounty hunter with a fob, why would he even attempt to hide?

Next, if all the fobs were perfectly transponding their position the entire time, why did only one bounty hunter show up and only AFTER defeating the walker? Wouldnt all 50 or whatever of them show up around the same time (same starting point and same destination).

Lastly, there is a specific line where the Mandalorian says to Cara that they raised hell a couple weeks ago and that it's going to bring unwanted attention. The whole point of that line is to tell us later that this is what attracted the bounty hunter. Why else would they make a point of explicitly saying that?

My comment wasnt directed at anyone in particular. I was just speaking in general towards the negativity (not even relating to this thread). Its just funny that if people used the same critical lens they use to dissect all the new material and did the same thing with the OT theyd realize you could tear those movies to shreds just as easily.

Especially when it comes to minute details about the plot that are really inconsequential to the overall picture. Like are we really sure those are actual gps locators that lead Mando straight to the bounty? And if so, would we have even complained about that if this had come out in 1977?

I sound like Im discouraging discussion. Im really not. Ill just shut up at this point. lol

Hearing people complain about the Mandalorian makes me think no one will ever be satisfied with new Star Wars no matter how good it is. As someone else said, the first 2 episodes are better than all of The Last Jedi. Personally, I've been waiting for something exactly like this since Lucas sold to Disney. I know we're only two episodes in but it has everything I want out of Star Wars. I'm extremely happy were getting "Gunsmoke" like serial western episodes. I feel like a kid again watching these... and almost every character they introduce on screen, no matter how minor (Werner Hertzog or Nick Nolte's Ugnaught) seem very well developed and interesting. It's like we're finally getting Star Wars in the format it was inspired from. Can't wait for more.

Recast Leia

When I first saw this I read it as Racist Leia and thought what an odd and inappropriate idea to save the sequel trilogy. Although I cant imagine recasting her would have a much better reaction than making her racist.

Infinity War proved you could have fun with the Guardians without Gunn directing. Just have Thor in the movie and use the Thor 3 director and it'll be the best of the trilogy.

Totally agree. Taika Waititi could easily take over and youd barely notice. In fact I actually think it would be a better fit.

William Gibson commented on the trailer...

https://mobile.twitter.com/greatdismal/status/1005958197654351872

Brings to mind a bitter George Lucas

I personally think they should do a Lando origin film in the style of a 70s blaxploitation flick and let Donald Glover write and direct. Theyll never do it because they have to stay within the SW stylistic framework but Id watch the hell out of it. Imagine a Black Dynamite set in the Star Wars universe. It would be amazing.

It has begun.

At the end of ROTS Obi-Wan could have been portrayed as guilt ridden, and more or less giving up on the Jedi order, blaming himself for the death of Padme and loosing Vader on the galaxy. Instead of wealing into the desert noble and waiting, he could have walked off into a storm, distraught, and saying someday, maybe, he might find his fath again.

 

Yoda should have come out of the fight with Palpatine seriously wounded and near death and permantly physically effed making it clear his junmpy flippy days were now at an end.

 

Thats just off my head given the ROTS we have. If it had been a completely different movie you could go in other directions.

Please write a Star Wars script. Kthxbye

Doing an impression does not equal quality acting.

 

Just saying, we werent' in the casting sessions. Maybe the dude can just make a face and do a voice that doesn't mean he can emote, carry pathos, or anything else.

That may be true, But didnt Chris Miller and Phil Lord have final say over the original casting? I dont necessarily trust their judgement on this...

I don’t think so. Fandom is spinning out hard on the Han Solo movie because despite being a prequel they can’t handle anyonme else playing Han Solo. Not that they expect Ford to play the role, everyone seems to hate this kid because he doesn’t look like Ford. If the masses can’t handle that, no way they accept a recast.

For me it's not that he doesn't look like Ford. He slightly resembles him enough to be passable. It's that his voice and inflections sound nothing like Ford. The biggest thing that throws me off is the voice which I still don't understand why they didn't cast Anthony Ingruber in this (it was rumored he had auditioned for the role). He HAD everything down pat. I mean just look and hear him nail a young Ford in this Age of Adeline flashback:

I wanna see a gigantic conjunction of every nightly prequel fan theory converged into the next two films.

Naboo is Dagobah confirmed!

I thought X2 did a pretty good job of adapting God loves, Man kills so to retread that would seem pretty unnecessary. I guess since they never got Dark Phoenix right it makes sense they're going to try to redo it. But at this point I just want something more fresh. And Yea, they'd obviously have to do some heavy revisions if they wanted to adapt Grant Morrisons run. Perhaps leaving out the womb strangulation part and having it be something less absurd like the twins being born and Cassandra dies at birth because the imbecile cord is wrapped around her neck and suffocates but then her concousness lives on in Xavier like the comics. I don't know it still sounds ridiculous.

Would be cool to see Onslaught as a villian someday too.

And honestly, what is the damn difference between Sinister and Apocalypse? besides aesthetically, they literally seem exactly the same. Finding host bodies to transfer into to live longer and gathering abilities. Mutants are the superior race, blah blah blah. These OP villains are boring!

Even my favorite X-Men story of the last decade or so, Uncanny X-Force's Dark Angel Saga....which was ****ing magnificent....was a total retread of like 3 different X-Men storylines rolled into one. It's like what else can you do with these characters? How do you tell new stories when Claremont covered every possibility over the course of like 16 years and like 3 different books?

That's why when I read they were adapting Age of Apocalypse right after Days of Future Past it had me worried because the premise is almost exactly the same just with different characters and has to do with time travel and the ripple effect. And now the reports are they're going to do the Phoenix Saga for the next one, I honestly hope they don't but I don't know what else they would do. Besides Age of Apocalypse, Days of Future Past and the Dark Phoenix Saga what else is worth adapting? Grant Morrisons New X-Men run? But the tone is so different it wouldn't fit with the current incarnation.

This is a nitpick but it really bugs me that Singer insists on using that stupid ass wire work for stunts in all his movies. Example: Days of Future Past had Beast jumping all over the place and hanging from a chandelier and it looked so freaking awful, like out of a cheap Kung Fu movie. Then in Apocalypse we have Wolverine doing these weird ass jumps that so very clearly look like bad wire work. I don't get how he can be so competent in so many other things and get that wrong. Also, I liked CGI beast in first class a lot more than Singer's god awful "practical" prosthetics, but I'm probably alone on that.

Well I enjoyed it and I'm not ashamed to admit it. Was it the weakest of the new X-Men movies? Yes, but I think it's better than all 3 of the Old X-Men movies, even X2. If you disagree with me go rewatch them, they haven't aged well and they're basically Wolverine movies.

With that said I think I'm the only one who really disliked Wolverines cameo in this it felt tacked on and cheap. Not to mention extremely cheesy. The tone just didn't fit the movie. They tried to do too many things and introduce too many characters. Also the movie logic doesn't seem to be as consistent as the other movies. I was never clear on what powers Apocalypse actually had. It just seemed to be whatever was convienent to the plot.

I'm still looking forward to the sequel that's suppose to be set in the 90s, although not recasting Wolverine was a huge mistake in the long run, he's going to look 50 and Jean is gonna be in her mid 20s, that's just gonna be some creepy uncle romance going on there. And hopefully Singer finally grows the balls to give Wolverine his god damn mask.

Bottom line is this is the closest to the 90s animated X-Men we've ever got and I love that about it despite its faults

I even enjoyed parts of Wolverine Origins.

Who even are you?!!! It has to be one of the worst high budget marvel movies ever made!

My favorite line of the entire movie is when Spidey says "Man, that thing doesn't follow the laws of physics at all!!" Referring to Cap's gravity defying shield.

This thread not withstanding it amazes me how salty people are and that they will literally complain about anything but then go on and see a movie like Batman V Superman and be like " why is everyone hating on this movie? I don't get it! This is like the best superhero movie ever!"

The trailer was effing amazing. I don't know how it's possible but I'm actually more excited for this than I was after I saw the force awakens trailer.

When Snyder strictly sticks to a single comic book narrative like 300 or Watchmen I think his movies can be pretty awesome. I started to dislike him when I saw Man of Steel. the reason 300 and Watchmen worked is because he literally just took the comic panels and used them as storyboards. So Frank Miller and Alan Moores works went mostly unscathed.

The problem with MoS and BvS is they're like greatest hits volumes of comic book history without really any effort to connect or streamline the story structure and have it make a whole lot of sense. I think a big reason BvS is making so much money is because of these "greatest hits" comic book moments that are tacked on to the movie. Every Fan wants to finally see those moments on the big screen even if that means enduring an otherwise crapfest of a movie because we all know Snyder does good action scenes.

I imagine the person who wrote this script just looked at all the best Superman and Batman comic book moments and then thought, now how can I loosely tie all these events together to make it one movie?

And when you structure a movie around action set pieces instead of a strong story that's almost always bad news.

Wait a minute... Is Justus actually defending a Zack Synder film?

This happens with pretty much every hyped up movie. It's just marketing. Harrison Ford said he loved the script to Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. We all know how that turned out. Read another article that said there was a standing ovation when they screened Batman v Superman to WB execs and that movie looks terrible.

They're just carefully crafted marketing techniques disguised as reliable anecdotes from celebrities.

I don't think Episode 8 is gonna suck, but I don't really get excited with these types of articles anymore.