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Videogame Survival Week 1.


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Poll: Videogame Survival Week 1. (41 member(s) have cast votes)

Vote OFF One Game You Do Not Want To Advance.

  1. Halo 3 (Xbox 360). (13 votes [31.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.71%

  2. Bioshock (Xbox 360). (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Mass Effect (Xbox 360). (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Forza Motorsport 2 (Xbox 360). (2 votes [4.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.88%

  5. Dead or Alive Extreme 2 (Xbox 360 wild card). (5 votes [12.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.20%

  6. Super Smash Bros Brawl (Wii). (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Wii). (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. Wii Tennis (Wii) (2 votes [4.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.88%

  9. Metroid 3 (Wii). (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  10. Red Steel (Wii wild card). (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  11. God of War 2 (PS 3). (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  12. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of The Patriots (PS 3). (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  13. Tekken 6 (PS 3). (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  14. Grand Turismo 5 (PS 3). (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  15. Virtua Fighter 5 (PS 3 wild card). (2 votes [4.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.88%

  16. Half Life 2: Episode One (PC). (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  17. Spore (PC). (1 votes [2.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.44%

  18. Bioshock (PC). (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  19. Command and Conquer 3 (PC). (1 votes [2.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.44%

  20. Unreal Tourament 2k7 (PC wild card). (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  21. Tony Hawk: Wasteland (multiplatform). (3 votes [7.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.32%

  22. Madden 2007 (multiplatform). (12 votes [29.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.27%

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Hey Tucker, I felt DOA Extreme Beach Volley Ball completely BLEW (as most volleyball games do), but I'd have to say it's one of the best volleyball videogames ever made. Never had a real interest in the game, my friend rented it, and it sucked. I never would have boughten the game, which was mostly about dress up.

Again, I ask, did you miss DOAX 2 at E3 this year? It's not only about volleyball.

FDH and DW. I'm going to set up the poll differently next time. Probably only 2 games per next gen system, and 2 wildcard games. And they'll be chosen from the same poll rather than each manufacturer having an isolated one. That'll bring the first Survival Week down to ten weeks.

BTW, this has already been going on for 8 weeks, I believe.

Edited by A Munkeys Uncle, 08 July 2006 - 01:01 PM.


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I picked Halo3 becuase it was my: Most likely to Disapoint. H2 disappointed me so much, I dont have high hopes for h3.

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Hey Tucker, I felt DOA Extreme Beach Volley Ball completely BLEW (as most volleyball games do),

You, sir, have obviously never played SuperSpike. Download it for an emu and give it a whirl. It was crazy fun. Try beating the Air Force team...

but I'd have to say it's one of the best volleyball videogames ever made. Never had a real interest in the game, my friend rented it, and it sucked. I never would have boughten the game, which was mostly about dress up.

Now I'm confused. You say it's "one of the best volleyball games made," but then say it was mostly about "dress-up." Which is like saying "PGR 2 is a great Robotron homage" just because it has Geometry Wars. I felt it was a dress-up game with a clunky no-skill volleyball game tacked-on. PantyShot Sim: The Game, remember? I put a hacked version (let's just say I didn't have to worry abou the "dress-up" part) on the HDD and returned it within a week.

Again, I ask, did you miss DOAX 2 at E3 this year? It's not only about volleyball.


I have no interest in the game, because, as I said, it's not about volleyball. Telling me "it's not only about volleyball" isn't going to change my mind, man. It's like telling someone allergic to shellfish, "Yeah, but this shrimp tastes awesome!"

I'm not going to watch some video or read about some game that I have no interest in just because MS craps a videocast down my throat.

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Sega's Beachspikers is the one of the best Volleyball games out there, it uses the Virtua Tennis engine for a start.

I had the displeasure of watching my girlfriend play DOAXBV for a whole summer. It's 10% volleyball and 90% Tamagotchi with t!ts.

AMU> Because this elimination process is going to take a while please ensure that the next round starts promptly.

Use the !REPORT function and i'll close each round once you are done with it.

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Super Spike is one of the best games ever.

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You, sir, have obviously never played SuperSpike. Download it for an emu and give it a whirl. It was crazy fun. Try beating the Air Force team...


I'm almost positive I've played the game, but it was many years ago. And if there was a PSX version, I'm absolutely positive I played the demo (from PSM) on the PS 2 I bought at launch.

That said, this is about "depth," and I'd find it hard to believe that anyh other volleyball game required the use of pushing more than 3 buttons, let alone having more "depth" than DOAX 2 which includes an entire Jet Ski Racing engine as a mini game.


Now I'm confused. You say it's "one of the best volleyball games made," but then say it was mostly about "dress-up."


Basically I don't have a large interest for volleyball games. The actual volleyball of the game is about as good as I've ever played though.

I'd buy Table Tennis (which is getting great reviews) before I'd buy a volleyball game that is strictly volleyball; however, DOAX 2 isn't strictly volleyball. Just from the videos we can determine there are water slide, jet ski racing, casino, and pool mini games.

Which is like saying "PGR 2 is a great Robotron homage" just because it has Geometry Wars.


Well if I preferred arcade shooters over racing games that wouldn't be such a far fetched comment.


PantyShot Sim: The Game, remember?


No, I don't.


I have no interest in the game, because, as I said, it's not about volleyball.


DOAX 2 IS first and foremost about volleyball. Maybe they'll tweak the gameplay to your liking. Again, the mechanics were a little "clunky," as you mentioned above, but when you say the game lacks "depth" I need to know what it is you are comparing it to, and what you know about the game.

It's like telling someone allergic to shellfish, "Yeah, but this shrimp tastes awesome!"


No. This isn't about whether the game is "awesome" or not. You nor I can make this judgement since the game hasn't been released. You said the game is lacking "depth," and voted it off. You can make a projection that this game may suck based on the first one, but again you're saying it lacks depth, and I'd like to know how much more deep a volleyball game is suppose to be.

I'm not going to watch some video or read about some game that I have no interest in just because MS craps a videocast down my throat.


Tecmo is making this game, not Microsoft, and they haven't shoved anything down your throat. They haven't done anything any other developer didn't do at E3 bu showing a trailer. Let's just try not to judge games unless we've at least read a bit about them. There isn't a game above that I'll vote off unless I know at least something about it.

Edited by A Munkeys Uncle, 10 July 2006 - 05:06 PM.


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DD, yes I'll report this thread in 2 days.

I picked Halo3 becuase it was my: Most likely to Disapoint. H2 disappointed me so much, I dont have high hopes for h3.



Halo 2 was all about multiplayer. There have been over half a billion unique online sessions of the game, and keep in mind Xbox Live is a pay to play service. That's not to say the single player "sucked," it's still better than the average shooter, but this game was all about multiplayer

Halo was all about single player, but it still had a great multiplayer. Just no online play.

Again, I think the people that are truly excited about Halo 3 are those that know the books, or at least something about them.

Edited by A Munkeys Uncle, 10 July 2006 - 05:07 PM.


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AMU, I appreciate what you're doing, but isn't this about letting people pick what they will?

I mean, I can appreciate if you enjoy DOAXBV.

But I'm with JT. It wasn't as good a volleyball game as it could have, since they kinda dropped it to see how many minigames they could pack in.

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Joe, I'm just curious what JT is basing his projections on.

"DoAX2, sorry, but it has the depth of Yao Ming in a kiddie pool."

Sorry but the game isn't out yet, and I was wondering what he was basing this on. I mean some people buy entire games based ONLY on jet skiing (Wave Race and Splashdown to name a couple). DOAX 2 has a full volleyball engine AND jet skiing. I don't think "depth" is the right choice of words to use. I mean most volleyball games have lacked depth. Same with tennis, although Sega have done a great job of implementing mini games and championship modes to their tennis games, as have MS with the Top Spin series. From what I have read, by DD and others, Sega's volleyball game is a good one as well.

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AMU, allow me to be a little more tactful with my response this time:
I would think that given your n00born, that you would have a lot more useful things to be doing than -- I don't know -- typing responses that take you a half hour to say the same thing for the 3rd time.

That said, I'm going to give this a final shot. However, given our proclivity to not communicate in the same language, I don't see you changing. And by changing, I mean saying something along the lines of "I respect your opinion."

OK, I told you about Super Spike Beach Volleyball on the NES. This was a game circa 1990. You're talking about a demo on PS1, which was 2 generations later, and actually 3 since you said you would've played it on PS2. So, at best, we're talking an 11 year gap.

I'm talking about a "VOLLEYBALL" game. You're talking about a mini-game collection. If I want to play a Jet Ski game, I'll go play my N64 again. If I want mini-games, there's about 97 other party games that have done it well enough. I don't need this game rehashing Wario Ware. You talk about the fact that "OMG, THEY DONE GONE and BUILT THEM A NEW WATERSPLASHIN' ENGINE!!!11!" Well, that just means that they're gonna crap out the volleyball portion of the game AGAIN.

You say, "The volleyball game is about as good as I've ever played." Yeah, if it's the only volleyball game you've ever played, I'd say it would be "the best." I'm not looking for a 'volleyball sim.' I'm looking for a fun, enjoybable game of volleyball. Not something that has two buttons that do the same thing on 2 of the 3 hits, and it doesn't matter where you are on the court to begin with. I played and won an entire game just with my right hand. I didn't have to move once. The volleyball portion is automatic, which means it takes no skill, which means it sucks.

Then you bring up Table Tennis, further proving you have little clue as to what you're talking about, and are just into being argumentative for some unknown (yeah, don't kid yourself) reason. That is actually one of the more skillful games on the 360, with 4 different types of spin shots; hard and soft shots; focus shots; and then combinations of spin shots. It is a game I gladly own.

Next you bring up the 'known' minigames. Did you even play the first game? You talk about the "waterslide" minigame. OK, that must take the place of the 'beach walk' from the first game. You'll just watch your girl bounce down a slide instead of frolick in the surf.

I'm not even gonna touch you trying to defend the PGR statement. Refer to Post #24 for the PSS:TG post (really, you should try the whole reading comprehension classes next semester at Community College). Dammit, there goes the tact...

Finally, you're all over the place. Is it the best volleyball game you played, or were "the controls a little clunky?" Yes, guy, I know that Tecmo's Team Ninja is responsible for this game.... And are you even aware that MS released the video for this over XBL Marketplace? Wow, for someone who's done so much 'research' on this title, you can't seem to decide on any points...

You say you want to know how much depth a game needs: look at Table Tennis, Virtua Tennis, or even Ice Hockey on NES for examples of how a simple game of Pong can be fun.

And I'll leave you with this rather simple example, since you obviously didn't understand the shellfish allergy analogy: If I buy a movie called "Piece of Crap," and it turns out to be a piece of crap, the studio shouldn't be surprised when no one decides to buy "Piece of Crap II" despite the fact that the sequel may be Godfather Part 2.
Hint: DOA XBV is "Piece of Crap" here... And DoAX2 might actually be Godfather Part 2. But I won't know because I won't be buying it. I'm sorry, but unlike you, apparently, I don't buy my games based on what other people tell me I have to have.

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JT> please tell me that you voted off DOAX2 :lol:

AMU> Interested to hear which game you voted off and why.

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I absolutely voted it off. Each week, I'll vote off the game that is the biggest piece of crap. None of this "get rid of the strongest challenge crap." GRRR!

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AMU: "Yeah but bacon tastes good; pork chops taste good..."

JT: "Sewer Rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'll never know cause I won't eat the filthy mother-******."

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:lol:

That's so fitting for JT.

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AMU: "Yeah but bacon tastes good; pork chops taste good..."

JT: "Sewer Rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'll never know cause I won't eat the filthy mother-******."


Excellent, Ness! Wow, you just summed it up with the words of the great QT. You, my friend, are amazing!

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JT, check your pm. Once again you missed my main point. This is about you commenting on the game's "depth" and only about that, so don't try to make this into something it is not.

AMU: "Yeah but bacon tastes good; pork chops taste good..."

JT: "Sewer Rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'll never know cause I won't eat the filthy mother-******."


Yes, that is what JT finally concluded to; however, that isn't what I was looking for. I wanted to know how he knows the game "lacks in depth..." before its release. As I mentioned to JT in a pm, that answer would have been entirely acceptable to me.

I might add it's good I'm the Italian (my true heritage) in that quote, Ness :/

Edited by A Munkeys Uncle, 11 July 2006 - 04:35 PM.


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Well, I dunno what you want to hear, but both me & him think the original is as deep as a 3 year old's wading pool, and the sequel probably won't be much different.

I mean seriously, how many times has the sequel been head & shoulders better than the original?

Especially when they put such an emphasis on other things as much as they did with the original?

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So, are you gonna PM every member who votes in your poll with a 3 page PM asking them for validation of their choice to be voted off.

nm, I already know the answer...

AMU, as I said in the PM, every single game you listed isn't out yet. Therefore, your questions of "How can you know (x) about (game Y)?" is completely baseless in the context of this thread. Therefore, either run your game allowing everyone to make the comments they want about a game, or continue your antagonistic ways and watch it get shut down. It's entirely up to you.

I say the game "has the depth of Yao Ming (the tallest man in basketball) in a kiddie pool."

You come out of left field not asking about depth, but if I knew anything about the game or if I missed its showing at E3.

To which I responded about the E3 video trailer that is out and about on XBL Marketplace. I have downloaded the trailer. I am not interested in reading anything more about the game based on that trailer and my experience with the first game.

And then you bring up Table Tennis as an example of game with little depth.

I retort that TT is actually a very deep game. Since some suck at math, let me break it down for you. In any rally in TT, there are a possible 192 shots that can come back at you. You have top, back, left, or right spin. Those can be combined for another 4 different shots (left- and topspin, for example). So, we have 8 base shots. Then, you can either hit it short, long, left, right, or down the middle. So, there's 6 zones that the ball can come to. On top of that, you have soft shots. So, you double the amount of base shots. So, we're now at 16 types of shots, landing in any one of 6 zones. Add to that "focus" shots, which come in harder and faster (or shorter and tighter if you're doing a soft-focus shot) than the default shots. Now we're at 32 in 6 zones, so there are 192 unique shots in TT. And I haven't even taken into account the slams. You're comparison between DOAXBV and TT reeks of ignorance, so just stop while you're down.

Now, suddenly, it's about me 'having a crystal ball' and saying that this game has no depth. Give it a rest man. Again, if you insist on dragging this out, it's not going to last long.

Edited by Durty D, 11 July 2006 - 07:44 PM.


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I picked Halo 3 to get booted - IMO there are too many FPS's coming out each year and the Halo series is one of the current 'big dogs' of the genre. I've got my eye on Half-Life and Unreal Tournment too...


Or perhaps it's because I'm bitter because the near mindless gameplay offered by FPSs meant developers virtually abandoned making Point & Click Adventures.

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Right, I think JT has done more than enough work here justifying why he picked DOAX2.

The Volleyball part of the original title was supposed to be the main point of the game but this sums it up for me:

I played and won an entire game just with my right hand. I didn't have to move once. The volleyball portion is automatic, which means it takes no skill, which means it sucks.



It looks like the sequel will be more mini-games and that's not what JC wants in a follow up to a Volleyball game that was lacking in the first place.

Anymore on this particular point and i'm going to have to get friendlier on the ol' delete button.

Please remember that taking things to PM's is great when both parties want to continue the debate - but it sucks if it's just one sided spam.

PM's are not a way to get around Nightly's free, frank and fair discussions.

People that feel threatened or harrassed through the use of PM's should feel comfortable approaching either Malice or Myself.

:)

Edited by Durty D, 11 July 2006 - 07:44 PM.


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That goes both ways about the pm as well :thumbsup: If I pm a member at this board, I'd expect a pm in return from that person.

And DD, my question has been answered, so I agree with you. JT has explained why he doesn't want the game, but he still hasn't explained to me how he knows it isn't deep.

His statement was pretty frank and confident. Let's not jump the gun. I simply may have been looking for the same source he found, since I haven't read anything other than a run down of the video shown at E3.

Well, I dunno what you want to hear, but both me & him think the original is as deep as a 3 year old's wading pool, and the sequel probably won't be much different.


Well since when does ANY volleyball game emphasize on depth to begin with? That was my point in bringing up Virtua Tennis and Table Tennis. Virtua Tennis actually has some depth. Not only are there many mini games, but there is a "Championship Mode," and now there's online play. Table Tennis, on the other hand, doesn't include a "Championship Mode," or ANY single player campaign for that matter.

I agree that DOAX isn't a very deep game either, but it didn't have online play, nor did it have the wave racing going for it. And the gameplay goes without saying... Since when has a volleyball game had deep gameplay? If Tecmo can pull off a deep gameplay scheme, and they've done it with football (at least for its time), I'd have to give them props.

I mean seriously, how many times has the sequel been head & shoulders better than the original?

Especially when they put such an emphasis on other things as much as they did with the original?


This is actually quite common in the sports genre. Many sports games are either much better, or worse, than their predecessors.

Edited by A Munkeys Uncle, 12 July 2006 - 12:01 AM.


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I'm just going to call this a misunderstanding and leave it at that.

Durty D asked (and other members have mentioned a concern about this) that I come up with a solution to speed up the competition. It makes sense, so beginning next week the poll will work differently.

Beginning next week I'll have a game from each manufacturer voted off. Multiplatform games will have to have the "None of the Above" choice since there weren't the same amount of games (five) to choose from.

This will speed up the Survivor competition. I actually thought it would be more fun for the competition to drag out, but it makes sense to speed it up since many of the games have the chance of being released before the competition is up.

The second Survivor will begin when the winner of this Survivor is released.

Edited by A Munkeys Uncle, 12 July 2006 - 12:28 AM.


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Beginning next week I'll have a game from each manufacturer voted off. Multiplatform games will have to have the "None of the Above" choice since there weren't the same amount of games (five) to choose from.

This will speed up the Survivor competition. I actually thought it would be more fun for the competition to drag out, but it makes sense to speed it up since many of the games have the chance of being released before the competition is up.

The second Survivor will begin when the winner of this Survivor is released.



Look forward to the 2nd round :thumbsup:

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Ack! A series?!?!?! blimey...

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K, I'll request that this poll be closed today at 4:00pm. If it's not closed at 4:00pm, I'll report the thread. Halo 3 might not make it after all :/ Could easily get a tie between Halo 2 and Madden 2007.

Edited by A Munkeys Uncle, 12 July 2006 - 09:16 AM.